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Post by mikecubs on Sept 15, 2023 18:52:15 GMT -6
NHL open to another expansion franchise in AtlantaNHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly is optimistic a third franchise in Atlanta would yield better results than two previous failed expansion teams in the market. "I think some of the challenges that we've seen in the past in Atlanta can be overcome," Daly told ESPN at the NHL/NHLPA player media tour on Tuesday. NHL commissioner Gary Bettman has said that expansion isn't currently a priority for the league. "Having said that, particularly with the success of the Vegas and Seattle expansions, there are more people who want to own professional hockey teams," Daly said. The Golden Knights (2017) and Kraken (2021) were added to the NHL in recent years, finding immediate financial success as well as success on the ice thanks to revamped expansion draft rules. "There are potential markets that may be suitable for NHL hockey, so our policy is really an open-door policy," Daly said "If you are interested and have a plan, come see us and certainly we'll evaluate it from there. If it becomes something our owners are interested in, we can pursue it. Nothing has risen to that level currently, but that could change." One of those potential markets is Atlanta, where the NHL has failed twice in establishing a franchise through expansion. The Atlanta Flames played from 1972 to 1980 before relocating to Calgary. The Atlanta Thrashers played there from 1999 to 2011 before relocating to Winnipeg to become the second coming of the Jets. But there has been speculation about ownership groups seeking to bring the NHL back to Atlanta for a third time, specifically to its suburbs. Sites like Alpharetta and south Forsyth County have been discussed as potential homes for another team. Daly said the Atlanta market is much different now than it was for either of the NHL's previous expansion attempts. "I think times have changed pretty dramatically and the market demographics have changed pretty dramatically since the first time we went there and then again in 1999," he said. "I think a lot of bigger businesses are in Atlanta [now]."Daly said the location of the rink will be a key to the success of any potential Atlanta franchise. The Thrashers played in what's now known as State Farm Arena, home of the NBA's Hawks, which is located in the city of Atlanta. " I also think that rink location will be important with any decision to locate a franchise in Atlanta," Daly said. "I think if you use the Braves as an example, they struggled, as I understand it, attendance-wise for years, even though they had a very successful team on the field. Their latest stadium is in a perfect location and sells out regularly."
The Braves moved from Atlanta's Turner Field to Truist Park in Cobb County in 2017. www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/38388008/nhl-open-another-expansion-franchise-atlanta
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Post by mikecubs on Sept 15, 2023 18:53:35 GMT -6
Daly is wrong about the Braves struggling for attendance at Turner Field. The Braves moved to the suburbs because most of their fans came from north Atlanta and so they didn't lose any attendance and they wanted to do a massive development around the stadium and Cobb County had the land.
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Post by 2b9 on Sept 15, 2023 19:04:17 GMT -6
NHL open to another expansion franchise in AtlantaNHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly is optimistic a third franchise in Atlanta would yield better results than two previous failed expansion teams in the market. "I think some of the challenges that we've seen in the past in Atlanta can be overcome," Daly told ESPN at the NHL/NHLPA player media tour on Tuesday. NHL commissioner Gary Bettman has said that expansion isn't currently a priority for the league. "Having said that, particularly with the success of the Vegas and Seattle expansions, there are more people who want to own professional hockey teams," Daly said. The Golden Knights (2017) and Kraken (2021) were added to the NHL in recent years, finding immediate financial success as well as success on the ice thanks to revamped expansion draft rules. "There are potential markets that may be suitable for NHL hockey, so our policy is really an open-door policy," Daly said "If you are interested and have a plan, come see us and certainly we'll evaluate it from there. If it becomes something our owners are interested in, we can pursue it. Nothing has risen to that level currently, but that could change." One of those potential markets is Atlanta, where the NHL has failed twice in establishing a franchise through expansion. The Atlanta Flames played from 1972 to 1980 before relocating to Calgary. The Atlanta Thrashers played there from 1999 to 2011 before relocating to Winnipeg to become the second coming of the Jets. But there has been speculation about ownership groups seeking to bring the NHL back to Atlanta for a third time, specifically to its suburbs. Sites like Alpharetta and south Forsyth County have been discussed as potential homes for another team. Daly said the Atlanta market is much different now than it was for either of the NHL's previous expansion attempts. "I think times have changed pretty dramatically and the market demographics have changed pretty dramatically since the first time we went there and then again in 1999," he said. "I think a lot of bigger businesses are in Atlanta [now]."Daly said the location of the rink will be a key to the success of any potential Atlanta franchise. The Thrashers played in what's now known as State Farm Arena, home of the NBA's Hawks, which is located in the city of Atlanta. " I also think that rink location will be important with any decision to locate a franchise in Atlanta," Daly said. "I think if you use the Braves as an example, they struggled, as I understand it, attendance-wise for years, even though they had a very successful team on the field. Their latest stadium is in a perfect location and sells out regularly."
The Braves moved from Atlanta's Turner Field to Truist Park in Cobb County in 2017. www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/38388008/nhl-open-another-expansion-franchise-atlanta So, are they going to pick Atlanta over Quebec City? Quebec City has much more in the way of Hockey Fans including reviving the Quebec City/Montreal Canadiens rivalry. Atlanta is not a hot bed for hockey, Atlanta doesn’t have the same fan base for hockey as does Quebec City, it would be a monstrous mistake for the NHL to choose Atlanta over Quebec City for the next expansion team. Quebec City already has an NHL ready arena, does Atlanta based on where Daly states there could be a franchise have an NHL ready arena, answer: no. These are just my thoughts👍. Cheers, 2b9😉😃😉👍
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Post by 2b9 on Sept 15, 2023 19:08:44 GMT -6
NHL open to another expansion franchise in AtlantaNHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly is optimistic a third franchise in Atlanta would yield better results than two previous failed expansion teams in the market. "I think some of the challenges that we've seen in the past in Atlanta can be overcome," Daly told ESPN at the NHL/NHLPA player media tour on Tuesday. NHL commissioner Gary Bettman has said that expansion isn't currently a priority for the league. "Having said that, particularly with the success of the Vegas and Seattle expansions, there are more people who want to own professional hockey teams," Daly said. The Golden Knights (2017) and Kraken (2021) were added to the NHL in recent years, finding immediate financial success as well as success on the ice thanks to revamped expansion draft rules. "There are potential markets that may be suitable for NHL hockey, so our policy is really an open-door policy," Daly said "If you are interested and have a plan, come see us and certainly we'll evaluate it from there. If it becomes something our owners are interested in, we can pursue it. Nothing has risen to that level currently, but that could change." One of those potential markets is Atlanta, where the NHL has failed twice in establishing a franchise through expansion. The Atlanta Flames played from 1972 to 1980 before relocating to Calgary. The Atlanta Thrashers played there from 1999 to 2011 before relocating to Winnipeg to become the second coming of the Jets. But there has been speculation about ownership groups seeking to bring the NHL back to Atlanta for a third time, specifically to its suburbs. Sites like Alpharetta and south Forsyth County have been discussed as potential homes for another team. Daly said the Atlanta market is much different now than it was for either of the NHL's previous expansion attempts. "I think times have changed pretty dramatically and the market demographics have changed pretty dramatically since the first time we went there and then again in 1999," he said. "I think a lot of bigger businesses are in Atlanta [now]."Daly said the location of the rink will be a key to the success of any potential Atlanta franchise. The Thrashers played in what's now known as State Farm Arena, home of the NBA's Hawks, which is located in the city of Atlanta. " I also think that rink location will be important with any decision to locate a franchise in Atlanta," Daly said. "I think if you use the Braves as an example, they struggled, as I understand it, attendance-wise for years, even though they had a very successful team on the field. Their latest stadium is in a perfect location and sells out regularly."
The Braves moved from Atlanta's Turner Field to Truist Park in Cobb County in 2017. www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/38388008/nhl-open-another-expansion-franchise-atlanta So, are they going to pick Atlanta over Quebec City? Quebec City has much more in the way of Hockey Fans including reviving the Quebec City/Montreal Canadiens rivalry. Atlanta is not a hot bed for hockey, Atlanta doesn’t have the same fan base for hockey as does Quebec City, it would be a monstrous mistake for the NHL to choose Atlanta over Quebec City for the next expansion team. Quebec City already has an NHL ready arena, does Atlanta based on where Daly states there could be a franchise have an NHL ready arena, answer: no. Quebec City has been a hot bed for hockey forever, just look at the WHA, NHL and Junior Hockey, Atlanta doesn’t even come close. These are just my thoughts👍. Cheers, 2b9😉😃😉👍 Sorry that I posted my comment twice, had a problem editing my comment🙃🫣😔.
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Post by mikecubs on Sept 15, 2023 19:28:51 GMT -6
There's plans for a new arena and Atlanta Braves massive development around the arena in Forsyth County. The Atlanta area has no problems giving $$$ to sports teams. They replaced Turner Field and the Georgia Dome after barely only 20 years. www.11alive.com/article/news/local/mixed-use-development-arena-the-gathering-forsyth-county/85-ba071e73-7bbc-4b93-8ec4-21645f9887cfThey are going to go with Atlanta because of the massive size of it for the US TV deal. Matter no how good the fans Quebec City it will do 0 for the US TV deal which is now $1B per year up from $200M for the last one. Winnipeg has also struggled recently with attendance which gives the NHL all the more reason to go with the big city. As far as top 14 markets population wise in the US the only sports the don't have teams in them are NBA(Seattle) which will get the next expansion team soon and the NHL(Houston and Atlanta). Unless they absolutely have to no sports league is going to leave cities that size blank. Besides a better location this time(near rich suburban whites) there is more room for error because of the size of the TV deal. According to Forbes Florida and Arizona made profits for the 1st time ever because of the national tv deal increase in size.
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Post by wolfmannick on Sept 15, 2023 20:46:12 GMT -6
There’s also issues with potential Quebec owner PKP who is basically a French balsille. Guy is a separatist, doubt the nhl wants the headache. NHL will put a second team in Toronto and a team in Hamilton before they go to Quebec, they’re both more appealing markets without the headache of potentially being a French only team.
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Post by iceland2018 on Sept 16, 2023 0:17:25 GMT -6
As much as I want Quebec City back in the NHL, I realise it will likely never happen, which is unfortunate, since I believe it would be successful. The NHL simply has too many markets they want to penetrate in the US first. Atlanta, Salt Lake City, Houston, and even a second team in the GTA would all be ahead of QC.
The Jets were very fortunate, due to the fact that the NHL has no inclination to run two teams (along with Phoenix), after the ASG Group ruined the Thrashers, than booted them out of the only arena adequate for an NHL team. True North was the only credible group with the money, connections, and arena, who were available. I still maintain that the NHL moved back to Winnipeg only because they had no other choice.
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Post by mikecubs on Sept 16, 2023 5:51:37 GMT -6
There’s also issues with potential Quebec owner PKP who is basically a French balsille. Guy is a separatist, doubt the nhl wants the headache. NHL will put a second team in Toronto and a team in Hamilton before they go to Quebec, they’re both more appealing markets without the headache of potentially being a French only team. I don't think you could ever get MLSE to agree to it. Especially with the way Toronto's demographics are changing. A lot less white people for hockey and many more people for other sports like basketball. I'd put Quebec ahead of Toronto 2 but I don't think Quebec will get a team unless there is a relocation and there are no other options like Winnipeg.
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Post by mikecubs on Sept 16, 2023 5:53:18 GMT -6
As much as I want Quebec City back in the NHL, I realise it will likely never happen, which is unfortunate, since I believe it would be successful. The NHL simply has too many markets they want to penetrate in the US first. Atlanta, Salt Lake City, Houston, and even a second team in the GTA would all be ahead of QC. The Jets were very fortunate, due to the fact that the NHL has no inclination to run two teams (along with Phoenix), after the ASG Group ruined the Thrashers, than booted them out of the only arena adequate for an NHL team. True North was the only credible group with the money, connections, and arena, who were available. I still maintain that the NHL moved back to Winnipeg only because they had no other choice. It was a miracle the Jets ever came back. No sports league would willingly pick a foreign city(or even American) with a population under 1M. Winnipeg was at the right place at the right time.
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Post by iceland2018 on Sept 16, 2023 17:52:02 GMT -6
There’s also issues with potential Quebec owner PKP who is basically a French balsille. Guy is a separatist, doubt the nhl wants the headache. NHL will put a second team in Toronto and a team in Hamilton before they go to Quebec, they’re both more appealing markets without the headache of potentially being a French only team. I don't think you could ever get MLSE to agree to it. Especially with the way Toronto's demographics are changing. A lot less white people for hockey and many more people for other sports like basketball. I'd put Quebec ahead of Toronto 2 but I don't think Quebec will get a team unless there is a relocation and there are no other options like Winnipeg. There is no evidence to suggest that there are a lot "less White people" for hockey. In Toronto, I've heard that the majority of Caucasians now live in the "905" which is either the outskirts of Toronto, or in places like Oakville, Brampton, Richmond Hill, Newmarket, and Mississauga. The fact that Toronto is arguably the fastest growing North American city only helps the Leafs. Sure, many inner city Torontoians will choose the Raptors, but the number of Maple Leafs fans has only increased with the passage of time.
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Post by mikecubs on Sept 17, 2023 6:52:37 GMT -6
European(white) population of Toronto metro 2001 2,915,125 62.72% 2006 2,871,430 56.61% 2011 2,887,825 52.3% 2016 2,804,630 47.84% 2021 2,598,670 42.3% en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_TorontoWait until the boomers really start dying. Grain of salt, I saw a survey years ago and soccer was minorities favorite sport in Canada, basketball was 2nd, hockey was 3rd. Hockey isn't going to dry and and blow away, the Leafs will always be popular, minorities will like it but it's not ever going to be like whites. Canada and all western countries are changing and the world really. Other than Africa and a few other countries like the stans most of the world is way below the 2.1 fertility replacement rate. Adding a team is a long term thing. When the boomers are gone I can't see a 2nd team working well. Besides the only time in modern times another team was allowed to go into another teams market was when the Expos moved to Washington DC. That was only allowed because MLB wanted to keep it's anti trust exemption and MLB wanted to screw over Baltimore Orioles owner Peter Angelos because he was a union lawyer. The NHL wants new markets to add new fans. Stealing Maple Leaf fans and splitting the market doesn't bring in new $$$$. Canada's population is so old that immigration may not be enough to replace the lost workers www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-working-age-poupulation-census-1.6432398
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Post by wolfmannick on Sept 17, 2023 12:38:25 GMT -6
European(white) population of Toronto metro 2001 2,915,125 62.72% 2006 2,871,430 56.61% 2011 2,887,825 52.3% 2016 2,804,630 47.84% 2021 2,598,670 42.3% en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DemographicIs_of_Toronto Wait until the boomers really start dying. Grain of salt, I saw a survey years ago and soccer was minorities favorite sport in Canada, basketball was 2nd, hockey was 3rd. Hockey isn't going to dry and and blow away, the Leafs will always be popular, minorities will like it but it's not ever going to be like whites. Canada and all western countries are changing and the world really. Other than Africa and a few other countries like the stans most of the world is way below the 2.1 fertility replacement rate. Adding a team is a long term thing. When the boomers are gone I can't see a 2nd team working well. Besides the only time in modern times another team was allowed to go into another teams market was when the Expos moved to Washington DC. That was only allowed because MLB wanted to keep it's anti trust exemption and MLB wanted to screw over Baltimore Orioles owner Peter Angelos because he was a union lawyer. The NHL wants new markets to add new fans. Stealing Maple Leaf fans and splitting the market doesn't bring in new $$$$. Canada's population is so old that immigration may not be enough to replace the lost workers www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-working-age-poupulation-census-1.6432398I wasnt suggesting a second team in toronto was likely or even wanted. I was saying i see it more likely than a team in quebec city.
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Post by iceland2018 on Sept 17, 2023 16:13:13 GMT -6
European(white) population of Toronto metro 2001 2,915,125 62.72% 2006 2,871,430 56.61% 2011 2,887,825 52.3% 2016 2,804,630 47.84% 2021 2,598,670 42.3% en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_TorontoWait until the boomers really start dying. Grain of salt, I saw a survey years ago and soccer was minorities favorite sport in Canada, basketball was 2nd, hockey was 3rd. Hockey isn't going to dry and and blow away, the Leafs will always be popular, minorities will like it but it's not ever going to be like whites. Canada and all western countries are changing and the world really. Other than Africa and a few other countries like the stans most of the world is way below the 2.1 fertility replacement rate. Adding a team is a long term thing. When the boomers are gone I can't see a 2nd team working well. Besides the only time in modern times another team was allowed to go into another teams market was when the Expos moved to Washington DC. That was only allowed because MLB wanted to keep it's anti trust exemption and MLB wanted to screw over Baltimore Orioles owner Peter Angelos because he was a union lawyer. The NHL wants new markets to add new fans. Stealing Maple Leaf fans and splitting the market doesn't bring in new $$$$. Canada's population is so old that immigration may not be enough to replace the lost workers www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-working-age-poupulation-census-1.6432398You think White people are the only ones interested in hockey?
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Post by mikecubs on Sept 17, 2023 18:28:21 GMT -6
European(white) population of Toronto metro 2001 2,915,125 62.72% 2006 2,871,430 56.61% 2011 2,887,825 52.3% 2016 2,804,630 47.84% 2021 2,598,670 42.3% en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DemographicIs_of_Toronto Wait until the boomers really start dying. Grain of salt, I saw a survey years ago and soccer was minorities favorite sport in Canada, basketball was 2nd, hockey was 3rd. Hockey isn't going to dry and and blow away, the Leafs will always be popular, minorities will like it but it's not ever going to be like whites. Canada and all western countries are changing and the world really. Other than Africa and a few other countries like the stans most of the world is way below the 2.1 fertility replacement rate. Adding a team is a long term thing. When the boomers are gone I can't see a 2nd team working well. Besides the only time in modern times another team was allowed to go into another teams market was when the Expos moved to Washington DC. That was only allowed because MLB wanted to keep it's anti trust exemption and MLB wanted to screw over Baltimore Orioles owner Peter Angelos because he was a union lawyer. The NHL wants new markets to add new fans. Stealing Maple Leaf fans and splitting the market doesn't bring in new $$$$. Canada's population is so old that immigration may not be enough to replace the lost workers www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-working-age-poupulation-census-1.6432398I wasnt suggesting a second team in toronto was likely or even wanted. I was saying i see it more likely than a team in quebec city. The territory rights thing makes Toronto more unlikely. I don't see either of them getting a team. With Quebec you'd have to have a current team fail someday and it be a no other options thing. I can't see any of the current teams ever moving. There's too much TV $$$ now so it gives weak markets more leeway than the past and with as many municipalities that the Phoenix area has they will find a sucker to give the Coyotes $$$ without having a public vote.
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Post by mikecubs on Sept 17, 2023 18:39:00 GMT -6
European(white) population of Toronto metro 2001 2,915,125 62.72% 2006 2,871,430 56.61% 2011 2,887,825 52.3% 2016 2,804,630 47.84% 2021 2,598,670 42.3% en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_TorontoWait until the boomers really start dying. Grain of salt, I saw a survey years ago and soccer was minorities favorite sport in Canada, basketball was 2nd, hockey was 3rd. Hockey isn't going to dry and and blow away, the Leafs will always be popular, minorities will like it but it's not ever going to be like whites. Canada and all western countries are changing and the world really. Other than Africa and a few other countries like the stans most of the world is way below the 2.1 fertility replacement rate. Adding a team is a long term thing. When the boomers are gone I can't see a 2nd team working well. Besides the only time in modern times another team was allowed to go into another teams market was when the Expos moved to Washington DC. That was only allowed because MLB wanted to keep it's anti trust exemption and MLB wanted to screw over Baltimore Orioles owner Peter Angelos because he was a union lawyer. The NHL wants new markets to add new fans. Stealing Maple Leaf fans and splitting the market doesn't bring in new $$$$. Canada's population is so old that immigration may not be enough to replace the lost workers www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-working-age-poupulation-census-1.6432398You think White people are the only ones interested in hockey? Reread my last post. Minorities like hockey just not at the same rate as whites. From what I saw they ranked hockey as their 3rd sport. Compare what a Raptors game looks like to a Leafs game. Again hockey isn't going to dry up and blow away you will certainly get a lot of minority fans and players too but things aren't going to be like 1980's. There's going to be a drop. Given that hockey starts from beyond clear number 1 you can certain afford a drop and be fine. But it's another reason the Leafs aren't going to allow a 2nd team. If the demographics would have stayed the same they still wouldn't allow a 2nd team. There's no reason for the NHL to steal fans from another team rather than create new fans in a new market.
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