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Post by 2b9 on Mar 6, 2024 13:41:58 GMT -6
It was already stated in your previous initial comment that this proposal only goes through if Atlanta is awarded an NHL franchise. Am I missing something here? Cheers, 2b9πππ No that's right. I think it still needs more votes too if I'm not mistaken for it to go through along with being awarded a team. Thanks for clarifyingπ. Cheers, 2b9πππ
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Post by wolfmannick on Mar 12, 2024 18:16:23 GMT -6
The Anson Carter lead group officially requested an expansion team from the nhl today. Gotta think the nhl is gonna use the ottawa senators sale point to determine the next expansion fee
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Post by 2b9 on Mar 12, 2024 18:45:42 GMT -6
The Anson Carter lead group officially requested an expansion team from the nhl today. Gotta think the nhl is gonna use the ottawa senators sale point to determine the next expansion fee Letβs see how this goes, going to be interesting. Does Atlanta get an expansion team? Itβs already failed in Atlanta 2 times. Can Atlanta make it work long term and forever a 3rd time? Cheers, 2b9π
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Post by wolfmannick on Mar 12, 2024 20:17:32 GMT -6
The Anson Carter lead group officially requested an expansion team from the nhl today. Gotta think the nhl is gonna use the ottawa senators sale point to determine the next expansion fee Letβs see how this goes, going to be interesting. Does Atlanta get an expansion team? Itβs already failed in Atlanta 2 times. Can Atlanta make it work long term and forever a 3rd time? Cheers, 2b9π What I'm interested in is knowing how a team failed there so recently... how much is someone willing to pay for a team there? I have to imagine a significant increase in the expansion fee for Seattle that's a pretty big investment
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Post by 2b9 on Mar 12, 2024 20:45:37 GMT -6
Letβs see how this goes, going to be interesting. Does Atlanta get an expansion team? Itβs already failed in Atlanta 2 times. Can Atlanta make it work long term and forever a 3rd time? Cheers, 2b9π What I'm interested in is knowing how a team failed there so recently... how much is someone willing to pay for a team there? I have to imagine a significant increase in the expansion fee for Seattle that's a pretty big investment Yep, what you state is the big question, including, what is their commitment long term? Are/is Atlanta going to bale again when things arenβt looking so good, like Atlanta has done in the past? Or, will whomever that gets in/Atlanta keep it going no matter how bad the future looks? Atlanta has as an NHL, NHL history of not working out. Yep, and I know, times are different as we speak. I just donβt have confidence that Atlanta can make it work. The NHL does not need another Arizona situation. Just my thoughts and opinions. Iβve been wrong before. If Atlanta succeeds in getting back an NHL franchise, I hope that they/it succeeds, I have my doubts. Cheers, 2b9πππ
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Post by mikecubs on Mar 12, 2024 23:40:25 GMT -6
What I'm interested in is knowing how a team failed there so recently... how much is someone willing to pay for a team there? I have to imagine a significant increase in the expansion fee for Seattle that's a pretty big investment Yep, what you state is the big question, including, what is their commitment long term? Are/is Atlanta going to bale again when things arenβt looking so good, like Atlanta has done in the past? Or, will whomever that gets in/Atlanta keep it going no matter how bad the future looks? Atlanta has as an NHL, NHL history of not working out. Yep, and I know, times are different as we speak. I just donβt have confidence that Atlanta can make it work. The NHL does not need another Arizona situation. Just my thoughts and opinions. Iβve been wrong before. If Atlanta succeeds in getting back an NHL franchise, I hope that they/it succeeds, I have my doubts. Cheers, 2b9πππ The building will be in a different location this time(by white rich people instead of black non NHL fans) and teams can't lose money anymore with the new TV deal(1B per year vs $200M).
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Post by mikecubs on Mar 12, 2024 23:41:39 GMT -6
Here is the story Atlanta group formally requests NHL expansion franchiseThe Alpharetta Sports & Entertainment Group, fronted by former NHL player Anson Carter, has formally requested that the NHL commence with an expansion process aimed at bringing a franchise to the greater Atlanta area for a third time. Atlanta was previously home to the Flames (1972-1980), who relocated to Calgary, and the Thrashers (1999-2011), who moved to Winnipeg. The announcement, published on Tuesday by Sportsnet, states that the group is seeking an NHL team for a new arena designed by architect Frank Gehry that will be part of a larger development at the North Point Mall site in Alpharetta, located around 30 minutes from where the Thrashers used to play. " I have no doubt that the best league in the world will thrive in its return to Metro Atlanta," said Carter, currently an analyst for TNT broadcast, in a statement. "I have been in dialogue with NHL commissioner [Gary] Bettman since 2019 about an expansion team returning to the Fulton County Metro Atlanta market, knowing that franchise decisions are exclusively decided by the NHL Board of Governors." Among the partners mentioned in the announcement are Neil Leibman of Top Tier Sports, Peter Simon of Simon Sports, Aaron Zeigler of Zeigler Automotive Group and New York Life Real Estate investors, who is a partner in the mixed-use land development. In a statement on Tuesday, NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly said the league appreciated the enthusiasm from Carter's group. "The League appreciates Anson's passion for bringing NHL hockey back to the Atlanta area, and he has certainly kept the subject on our radar screen for several years running," Daly said. "While, as we have made clear, we have no expansion oriented process in place currently, it's always good to know there is bona fide interest." Calls to Simon, Zeigler and Alpharetta Mayor Jim Gilvin were not returned. Carter is a part owner of the ECHL Atlanta Gladiators hockey team. Carter previously attempted to purchase the Atlanta Hawks, Thrashers and their arena in 2011 with a group called Atlanta Sports and Entertainment, but they were declined by Atlanta Spirit, which owned the teams. There are other groups interested in bringing the NHL to Atlanta. Vernon Krause, a businessman who has proposed building an 18,000-seat arena in a mixed use development in Forsyth County, told WSB-TV that he met with Bettman in New York. Krause says he believes that if the NHL approves expansion, a team could play in its arena beginning in the 2027-28 season. Daly told ESPN last September that he was optimistic the third time could be the charm for Atlanta.
"I think some of the challenges that we've seen in the past in Atlanta can be overcome," he said.
"I think times have changed pretty dramatically and the market demographics have changed pretty dramatically since the first time we went there and then again in 1999," he said. "I think a lot of bigger businesses are in Atlanta [now]."Daly said the location of the rink will be a key to the success of any potential Atlanta franchise. The Thrashers played in what's now known as State Farm Arena, home of the NBA's Hawks, which is located in the city of Atlanta. " I also think that rink location will be important with any decision to locate a franchise in Atlanta," Daly said. "I think if you use the Braves as an example, they struggled, as I understand it, attendance-wise for years, even though they had a very successful team on the field. Their latest stadium is in a perfect location and sells out regularly."Bettman has said that expanding beyond 32 teams isn't a priority for the NHL. But cities continue to show interest in joining the league. Utah Jazz owner Ryan Smith and The Smith Entertainment Group announced in January that it has formally requested the NHL to start an expansion process for a potential Utah franchise. "We have no formal expansion process set up. We're listening to the expressions of interest and I think it's fair to say that the Utah expression of interest has been the most aggressive and has carried a lot of energy with it," Bettman said at the NHL All-Star Game last month. Tilman Fertitta, owner of the NBA's Houston Rockets, said he's had discussions with the NHL about bringing a team there.
"We are talking to the NHL, but it's got to be good for both of us," Fertitta said during an interview with Bloomberg News last month.www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/39716818/atlanta-group-formally-requests-nhl-expansion-franchise
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Post by mikecubs on Mar 12, 2024 23:44:41 GMT -6
I think Coyotes move to Utah, Atlanta gets an expansion team, Houston gets an expansion team later when the Rocket owner is willing to pay full price, Phoenix gets an expansion team in 10-15 years in a new shared suns/NHL arena.
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Post by wolfmannick on Mar 13, 2024 1:32:29 GMT -6
I think Coyotes move to Utah, Atlanta gets an expansion team, Houston gets an expansion team later when the Rocket owner is willing to pay full price, Phoenix gets an expansion team in 10-15 years in a new shared suns/NHL arena. That leaves room for one more team, who gets the 4th expansion team?
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Post by mikecubs on Mar 13, 2024 4:39:32 GMT -6
I think Coyotes move to Utah, Atlanta gets an expansion team, Houston gets an expansion team later when the Rocket owner is willing to pay full price, Phoenix gets an expansion team in 10-15 years in a new shared suns/NHL arena. That leaves room for one more team, who gets the 4th expansion team? The NHL can go with an odd number of teams. If they want to go with an even amount it's hard to say 15-20 years out because you have to take into account population growth and when current arenas get replaced. For example there is talk of a new downtown arena in San Antonio. Say they get one early 2030's and it's NHL compatible that could be an option with it's population growth. Or maybe Austin will build an NHL arena. Who knows at this point?
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Post by 2b9 on Mar 13, 2024 8:36:34 GMT -6
Yep, what you state is the big question, including, what is their commitment long term? Are/is Atlanta going to bale again when things arenβt looking so good, like Atlanta has done in the past? Or, will whomever that gets in/Atlanta keep it going no matter how bad the future looks? Atlanta has as an NHL, NHL history of not working out. Yep, and I know, times are different as we speak. I just donβt have confidence that Atlanta can make it work. The NHL does not need another Arizona situation. Just my thoughts and opinions. Iβve been wrong before. If Atlanta succeeds in getting back an NHL franchise, I hope that they/it succeeds, I have my doubts. Cheers, 2b9πππ The building will be in a different location this time(by white rich people instead of black non NHL fans) and teams can't lose money anymore with the new TV deal(1B per year vs $200M). Okay. Thanks for pointing things outπ. Cheers, 2b9πππ
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Post by 2b9 on Mar 13, 2024 8:39:59 GMT -6
I think Coyotes move to Utah, Atlanta gets an expansion team, Houston gets an expansion team later when the Rocket owner is willing to pay full price, Phoenix gets an expansion team in 10-15 years in a new shared suns/NHL arena. That makes sense. 2b9πππ
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Post by 2b9 on Mar 13, 2024 8:43:33 GMT -6
That leaves room for one more team, who gets the 4th expansion team? The NHL can go with an odd number of teams. If they want to go with an even amount it's hard to say 15-20 years out because you have to take into account population growth and when current arenas get replaced. For example there is talk of a new downtown arena in San Antonio. Say they get one early 2030's and it's NHL compatible that could be an option with it's population growth. Or maybe Austin will build an NHL arena. Who knows at this point? There is also Kansas City and Quebec City. 2b9πππ
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Post by 2b9 on Mar 17, 2024 11:58:32 GMT -6
That leaves room for one more team, who gets the 4th expansion team? The NHL can go with an odd number of teams. If they want to go with an even amount it's hard to say 15-20 years out because you have to take into account population growth and when current arenas get replaced. For example there is talk of a new downtown arena in San Antonio. Say they get one early 2030's and it's NHL compatible that could be an option with it's population growth. Or maybe Austin will build an NHL arena. Who knows at this point? I canβt see neither of San Antonio nor Austin with NHL Teams, however though, you just never know. Houston yes, the other 2 no. Just my thoughts and opinion. Cheers, 2b9πππ
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Post by mikecubs on Mar 21, 2024 12:09:37 GMT -6
The NHL can go with an odd number of teams. If they want to go with an even amount it's hard to say 15-20 years out because you have to take into account population growth and when current arenas get replaced. For example there is talk of a new downtown arena in San Antonio. Say they get one early 2030's and it's NHL compatible that could be an option with it's population growth. Or maybe Austin will build an NHL arena. Who knows at this point? I canβt see neither of San Antonio nor Austin with NHL Teams, however though, you just never know. Houston yes, the other 2 no. Just my thoughts and opinion. Cheers, 2b9πππ I mention San Antonio and Austin because of how fast they are growing. Those cities between them only have the Spurs. With the growth rate they have more teams of some kind are coming.
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