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Post by sgtbarnes on Oct 18, 2023 15:17:51 GMT -6
Confirmed, Gus the Bus will be in the lineup tomorrow night/Thursday, 4th line. Oh joy.
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Post by Tracker on Oct 18, 2023 15:22:08 GMT -6
Confirmed, Gus the Bus will be in the lineup tomorrow night/Thursday, 4th line. Oh joy. That should solve the scoring issues.
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Post by ekjet72 on Oct 18, 2023 15:33:55 GMT -6
Good stuff. I just edited my post. I mistook who the original poster was. I kinda thought you were joking with an unloseable bet. But, WW3 is pretty serious. I don't think it happens within 2 years either. I'd say 5 to 10 unless things change drastically. I find it odd that so many think it can never happen. Be carful with that thought process, it’s the same thought process that made them leave last time. Nothing is infinite …. Even if you have Thompson backing you. In a related fashion CSEC owns the Flames and Stamps and a few other entities. Murray Edwards is the pricipal owner. He is worth 2.5B. He is a smart skin flint who played the city like a violin to get extra bucks for the new arena here in Calgary. Now here is the point I'd like to make. The Stamps and the CFL in general have old fans. Each year at renewal there are less fans because of, well, natural attrition. The empty seats of our dearly departed weren't being filled with new warm bums. The place was getting quieter and emptier to the point they are now draping the upper corners of the stadium to crowd the fans to the middle and make it look fuller than it is. I can tell you that place turned into a mausoleum. And it wasn't fun to go for the game and the lousy fan experience. Alos the Stamps have been on a slow decline in performance and played in a dump. Because of that I gave up my 2 season tickets. Many more who are still able, have done the same. There are rumours that Murray Edwards is going to cut bait and let the Stamps go. He will only lose money for a few years at $20M a year. And I doubt he'd get a buyer for a CFL franchise. This story is a situation the Jets could find themselves in. A downward spiral due to lack of interest, fan demographics, bad hockey and good TV coverage. It creates a situation that makes it hard to drag the fans back into the building. Even Mr. Thompson will close the wallett at some point. These guys get rich making the tough decisions, not emotional ones. Ovi could be right. I hope he is wrong.
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Post by lenny on Oct 18, 2023 16:02:57 GMT -6
I find it odd that so many think it can never happen. Be carful with that thought process, it’s the same thought process that made them leave last time. Nothing is infinite …. Even if you have Thompson backing you. In a related fashion CSEC owns the Flames and Stamps and a few other entities. Murray Edwards is the pricipal owner. He is worth 2.5B. He is a smart skin flint who played the city like a violin to get extra bucks for the new arena here in Calgary. Now here is the point I'd like to make. The Stamps and the CFL in general have old fans. Each year at renewal there are less fans because of, well, natural attrition. The empty seats of our dearly departed weren't being filled with new warm bums. The place was getting quieter and emptier to the point they are now draping the upper corners of the stadium to crowd the fans to the middle and make it look fuller than it is. I can tell you that place turned into a mausoleum. And it wasn't fun to go for the game and the lousy fan experience. Alos the Stamps have been on a slow decline in performance and played in a dump. Because of that I gave up my 2 season tickets. Many more who are still able, have done the same. There are rumours that Murray Edwards is going to cut bait and let the Stamps go. He will only lose money for a few years at $20M a year. And I doubt he'd get a buyer for a CFL franchise. This story is a situation the Jets could find themselves in. A downward spiral due to lack of interest, fan demographics, bad hockey and good TV coverage. It creates a situation that makes it hard to drag the fans back into the building. Even Mr. Thompson will close the wallett at some point. These guys get rich making the tough decisions, not emotional ones. Ovi could be right. I hope he is wrong. Jets are valued at about 650 million US as of 2022. www.statista.com/statistics/193732/franchise-value-of-national-hockey-league-teams-in-2010The Thrashers were purchased and relocated for about 170 millio US. A tidy profit indeed if sold. But the business relationship between TN and David Thompson is one of co-ownership. If Thompson wanted to sell his share there's a good chance TN would buy him out. There is a lot more to consider. Can you imagine TN moving the franchise? For me as a business entity they would be dead to me and the decision would have significant economic effect on what would be a community and economic nightmare with the fallout. Their whole business would rightfully get the brunt of an economic reprisal. So i think there is a lot more at stake than pure numbers.
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Post by 2b9 on Oct 18, 2023 16:04:59 GMT -6
That should solve the scoring issues. 😉👍
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Post by sgtbarnes on Oct 18, 2023 16:07:39 GMT -6
I find it odd that so many think it can never happen. Be carful with that thought process, it’s the same thought process that made them leave last time. Nothing is infinite …. Even if you have Thompson backing you. In a related fashion CSEC owns the Flames and Stamps and a few other entities. Murray Edwards is the pricipal owner. He is worth 2.5B. He is a smart skin flint who played the city like a violin to get extra bucks for the new arena here in Calgary. Now here is the point I'd like to make. The Stamps and the CFL in general have old fans. Each year at renewal there are less fans because of, well, natural attrition. The empty seats of our dearly departed weren't being filled with new warm bums. The place was getting quieter and emptier to the point they are now draping the upper corners of the stadium to crowd the fans to the middle and make it look fuller than it is. I can tell you that place turned into a mausoleum. And it wasn't fun to go for the game and the lousy fan experience. Alos the Stamps have been on a slow decline in performance and played in a dump. Because of that I gave up my 2 season tickets. Many more who are still able, have done the same. There are rumours that Murray Edwards is going to cut bait and let the Stamps go. He will only lose money for a few years at $20M a year. And I doubt he'd get a buyer for a CFL franchise. This story is a situation the Jets could find themselves in. A downward spiral due to lack of interest, fan demographics, bad hockey and good TV coverage. It creates a situation that makes it hard to drag the fans back into the building. Even Mr. Thompson will close the wallett at some point. These guys get rich making the tough decisions, not emotional ones. Ovi could be right. I hope he is wrong. Ek, you make so many good points here. You have a new generation of sports fans now, with so many other options. And many for whom hockey is not a traditional sport. Anyone born after about 1990, Jets 1.0, the rivalries, the birth of the whiteout, and the loss of the team is a mere footnote. A meh. Sad but true.
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Post by 2b9 on Oct 18, 2023 16:11:22 GMT -6
In a related fashion CSEC owns the Flames and Stamps and a few other entities. Murray Edwards is the pricipal owner. He is worth 2.5B. He is a smart skin flint who played the city like a violin to get extra bucks for the new arena here in Calgary. Now here is the point I'd like to make. The Stamps and the CFL in general have old fans. Each year at renewal there are less fans because of, well, natural attrition. The empty seats of our dearly departed weren't being filled with new warm bums. The place was getting quieter and emptier to the point they are now draping the upper corners of the stadium to crowd the fans to the middle and make it look fuller than it is. I can tell you that place turned into a mausoleum. And it wasn't fun to go for the game and the lousy fan experience. Alos the Stamps have been on a slow decline in performance and played in a dump. Because of that I gave up my 2 season tickets. Many more who are still able, have done the same. There are rumours that Murray Edwards is going to cut bait and let the Stamps go. He will only lose money for a few years at $20M a year. And I doubt he'd get a buyer for a CFL franchise. This story is a situation the Jets could find themselves in. A downward spiral due to lack of interest, fan demographics, bad hockey and good TV coverage. It creates a situation that makes it hard to drag the fans back into the building. Even Mr. Thompson will close the wallett at some point. These guys get rich making the tough decisions, not emotional ones. Ovi could be right. I hope he is wrong. Jets are valued at about 650 million US as of 2022. www.statista.com/statistics/193732/franchise-value-of-national-hockey-league-teams-in-2010The Thrashers were purchased and relocated for about 170 millio US. A tidy profit indeed if sold. But the business relationship between TN and David Thompson is one of co-ownership. If Thompson wanted to sell his share there's a good chance TN would buy him out. There is a lot more to consider. Can you imagine TN moving the franchise? For me as a business entity they would be dead to me and the decision would have significant economic effect on what would be a community and economic nightmare with the fallout. Their whole business would rightfully get the brunt of an economic reprisal. So i think there is a lot more at stake than pure numbers. Very well put, very succinct, excellent thoughts/opinion/comment👍.
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Post by sgtbarnes on Oct 18, 2023 16:11:54 GMT -6
In a related fashion CSEC owns the Flames and Stamps and a few other entities. Murray Edwards is the pricipal owner. He is worth 2.5B. He is a smart skin flint who played the city like a violin to get extra bucks for the new arena here in Calgary. Now here is the point I'd like to make. The Stamps and the CFL in general have old fans. Each year at renewal there are less fans because of, well, natural attrition. The empty seats of our dearly departed weren't being filled with new warm bums. The place was getting quieter and emptier to the point they are now draping the upper corners of the stadium to crowd the fans to the middle and make it look fuller than it is. I can tell you that place turned into a mausoleum. And it wasn't fun to go for the game and the lousy fan experience. Alos the Stamps have been on a slow decline in performance and played in a dump. Because of that I gave up my 2 season tickets. Many more who are still able, have done the same. There are rumours that Murray Edwards is going to cut bait and let the Stamps go. He will only lose money for a few years at $20M a year. And I doubt he'd get a buyer for a CFL franchise. This story is a situation the Jets could find themselves in. A downward spiral due to lack of interest, fan demographics, bad hockey and good TV coverage. It creates a situation that makes it hard to drag the fans back into the building. Even Mr. Thompson will close the wallett at some point. These guys get rich making the tough decisions, not emotional ones. Ovi could be right. I hope he is wrong. Jets are valued at about 650 million US as of 2022. www.statista.com/statistics/193732/franchise-value-of-national-hockey-league-teams-in-2010The Thrashers were purchased and relocated for about 170 millio US. A tidy profit indeed if sold. But the business relationship between TN and David Thompson is one of co-ownership. If Thompson wanted to sell his share there's a good chance TN would buy him out. There is a lot more to consider. Can you imagine TN moving the franchise? For me as a business entity they would be dead to me and the decision would have significant economic effect on what would be a community and economic nightmare with the fallout. Their whole business would rightfully get the brunt of an economic reprisal. So i think there is a lot more at stake than pure numbers. You really think so? If the 13000 season ticket holders turned against TNSE, you think that would have a huge economic impact on their ventures and holdings? These guys got rich long before the Jets came back.
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Post by lenny on Oct 18, 2023 17:33:38 GMT -6
Jets are valued at about 650 million US as of 2022. www.statista.com/statistics/193732/franchise-value-of-national-hockey-league-teams-in-2010The Thrashers were purchased and relocated for about 170 millio US. A tidy profit indeed if sold. But the business relationship between TN and David Thompson is one of co-ownership. If Thompson wanted to sell his share there's a good chance TN would buy him out. There is a lot more to consider. Can you imagine TN moving the franchise? For me as a business entity they would be dead to me and the decision would have significant economic effect on what would be a community and economic nightmare with the fallout. Their whole business would rightfully get the brunt of an economic reprisal. So i think there is a lot more at stake than pure numbers. You really think so? If the 13000 season ticket holders turned against TNSE, you think that would have a huge economic impact on their ventures and holdings? These guys got rich long before the Jets came back. I'm referring to the city and Manitoba writ large. Of course the vast majority of folks likely go to games from time to time only and not as season ticket holders, and are avid Jets fans via tv/radio. I'm talking about the common folks who love the franchise but can't for whatever reason afford season tickets.
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Post by sgtbarnes on Oct 18, 2023 17:45:32 GMT -6
I hear you lenny. To me, the only leverage fans have, as a collective, is to buy the tickets and fill the place up. If that doesn't happen, and attendance dwindles further, businessmen will do what they do. It's a dark subject to all us hardcore fans. Let's hope for the best.
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Post by sgtbarnes on Oct 18, 2023 17:49:53 GMT -6
That should solve the scoring issues. Just once, I'd like to see these guys deviate from the path of the plodder. Bring up a young fast guy with hands. You just never know what might happen. Could it be worse than yesterday?
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Post by ovi1 on Oct 18, 2023 18:28:57 GMT -6
You really think so? If the 13000 season ticket holders turned against TNSE, you think that would have a huge economic impact on their ventures and holdings? These guys got rich long before the Jets came back. I'm referring to the city and Manitoba writ large. Of course the vast majority of folks likely go to games from time to time only and not as season ticket holders, and are avid Jets fans via tv/radio. I'm talking about the common folks who love the franchise but can't for whatever reason afford season tickets. I can’t stand the rink. Crammed in those little seats…. Rush rush rush to get there and it’s not enjoyable at all. Add the fact that the Jets usually suck and it makes want to never return. And those people banging the drums need to stop. So annoying … pretty sure we know when to cheer. Also the man screaming at me constantly to ‘MAKE SOME NOISE” Needs to shut the hell up. No other rink is as bad other than Phoenix
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Post by 2b9 on Oct 18, 2023 18:41:11 GMT -6
I'm referring to the city and Manitoba writ large. Of course the vast majority of folks likely go to games from time to time only and not as season ticket holders, and are avid Jets fans via tv/radio. I'm talking about the common folks who love the franchise but can't for whatever reason afford season tickets. I can’t stand the rink. Crammed in those little seats…. Rush rush rush to get there and it’s not enjoyable at all. Add the fact that the Jets usually suck and it makes want to never return. And those people banging the drums need to stop. So annoying … pretty sure we know when to cheer. Also the man screaming at me constantly to ‘MAKE SOME NOISE” Needs to shut the hell up. No other rink is as bad other than Phoenix I’ve been to NHL games in Toronto, it’s worse in Toronto than here, seats are just as tiny, however, what is worse, the ability to navigate to get to your seat including getting out of your seat, including when you have to move to allow people to get by you when you are sitting. Winnipeg is not that bad as you say.
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Post by sgtbarnes on Oct 18, 2023 21:33:43 GMT -6
Interesting. I snooped around the web a bit looking for the most affordable NHL teams in the league, based on ticket prices, concessions and parking. Jets were the 9th most affordable with the Coyotes being the cheapest. $24 CAD difference between the Coyotes avg. and the Jets avg. Per game. Kind of surprising. I'm always hearing that tickets are way too expensive. These are 2022 numbers. Anybody with updated stats, let me know.
My take would be that the team hasn't priced itself out of the reach of the average fan on a game to game basis.
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Post by lenny on Oct 19, 2023 8:31:21 GMT -6
Interesting. I snooped around the web a bit looking for the most affordable NHL teams in the league, based on ticket prices, concessions and parking. Jets were the 9th most affordable with the Coyotes being the cheapest. $24 CAD difference between the Coyotes avg. and the Jets avg. Per game. Kind of surprising. I'm always hearing that tickets are way too expensive. These are 2022 numbers. Anybody with updated stats, let me know. My take would be that the team hasn't priced itself out of the reach of the average fan on a game to game basis. Yotes are probably the outlier here because ever since they moved they've been a losing franchise. Basically Betmn has kept that team afloat by nook or crook. Having said that and apart from them we are the smallest market. By all accounts we should be the cheapest. That we're not is a reflection of the weight of cost borne out on our people/customers disproportionately. By the way saw another valuation from Sportico and Jets are valued at $805 million that makes them 22nd on the list Yotes being the cheapest ahead of teams like Florida and Carolina.
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