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Post by nextyear on Jul 4, 2024 4:55:10 GMT -6
As it sits right now, the Jets are not as good a team as they were when they were blown out by the Avs. That's obvious. Anyone who thinks the loss of Dillon is just a trivial cap issue, rethink. It's a big loss for a team that is lacking size and grit on the back end. His presence will be missed. What struck me about this year's playoffs was the level of physical play. And it seemed to ramp up round by round. They were letting so much go. Enter little Heinola. 180 lbs. soaking wet. Enter little Lambert. Pretty much the same. As skilled and quick as these guys are, they will be punished come playoff time. I don't know what Chevy has planned, but signing backup goaltenders is not very inspiring from my point of view. Heinola can fill out another couple of pounds at most. Lambert is younger and has room to grow. Reminds me of Sheif at that age.
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Post by nextyear on Jul 4, 2024 4:56:25 GMT -6
Signing Colin Miller is strange given we hardly played him after the trade deadline. In the games he did play, he seemed better than Pionk though. Maybe he will be D #7 on the roster or 6/7? Bowness misused Miller. Maybe Ariel has a better plan for him ?
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Post by 2b9 on Jul 4, 2024 7:55:41 GMT -6
FWIW: TSN radio anaysts this afternoon stated that, if no other upgrades are coming, the Jets excan expect to slide badly. The best-case scenario is that the Jets will slip 2-3 places and will have to get help from other teams fading to make the playoffs, but still bow out early. If they dip this year, I want it to be deeper than that. Need to pull off what Colorado did when they drafted Makar. They were a decent team making the playoffs regularly and then an off season ended up with a top 10 pick that paid huge dividends. That's my best worst-case scenario for this year.....the Jets flirt with a lottery pick and find the top pairing RD that they really need to re-load with the other upcoming prospects. But I am not sure they will be that bad. What have they lost? Monahan was only here part of the season, so it really is just Dillon and Brossoit. Both replacements (Heinola/Kahkonen) probably won't be as good, but I don't think it will result in the team being bottom-dwellers without some major injuries to key players. Hard to say what’s going to happen. Cheers, 2b9😉😃👍
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Post by 2b9 on Jul 4, 2024 7:57:53 GMT -6
As it sits right now, the Jets are not as good a team as they were when they were blown out by the Avs. That's obvious. Anyone who thinks the loss of Dillon is just a trivial cap issue, rethink. It's a big loss for a team that is lacking size and grit on the back end. His presence will be missed. What struck me about this year's playoffs was the level of physical play. And it seemed to ramp up round by round. They were letting so much go. Enter little Heinola. 180 lbs. soaking wet. Enter little Lambert. Pretty much the same. As skilled and quick as these guys are, they will be punished come playoff time. I don't know what Chevy has planned, but signing backup goaltenders is not very inspiring from my point of view. Heinola can fill out another couple of pounds at most. Lambert is younger and has room to grow. Reminds me of Sheif at that age. True on both players. Cheers, 2b9😉😃👍
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Post by 2b9 on Jul 4, 2024 8:00:04 GMT -6
Signing Colin Miller is strange given we hardly played him after the trade deadline. In the games he did play, he seemed better than Pionk though. Maybe he will be D #7 on the roster or 6/7? Bowness misused Miller. Maybe Ariel has a better plan for him ? Yep, new Coach/Coaching Staff, hopefully makes a difference as to his deployment. Cheers, 2b9😉😃👍
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Post by sgtbarnes on Jul 4, 2024 9:44:49 GMT -6
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Post by sgtbarnes on Jul 4, 2024 9:47:11 GMT -6
Some interesting analytics by Hohl on X. Does any particular player stand out?
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Post by PeakyBlinders on Jul 4, 2024 10:22:01 GMT -6
Another good article by Murat today in the Athletic and he essentially is aying what I mentioned the other day. Paywall, but a few snippets (he is proposing we sign Perfetti NOW to a long term deal).
If Winnipeg is going to have limited UFA success — and if it’s going to lose the occasional McGroarty, PL Dubois or Patrik Laine — then the Jets’ only hope of leaguewide excellence is to have a best-in-class approach to handling their top young players.
Young players want to know that their team values them, makes them feel like an important part of the future and will support them in their growth. McGroarty doesn’t feel that way. Heinola and Logan Stanley have previously conveyed their hopes of being traded but could now have the chance to become everyday players.
Player development also plays a role in player retention. If Winnipeg isn’t going to clean up on the UFA market, then it must excel in its approach to its restricted free agents — like Perfetti.
Some of Winnipeg’s best work as an organization — and its best value contracts, in terms of players outperforming their cap hit — has come from signing top young players to long-term deals at team-friendly cap hits.
To me, this makes drafting, development and retention the most important pillars of Winnipeg’s success. Some teams overpay on the UFA market, working hard to retain veterans. The Jets’ best work has come in the form of value contracts to restricted free agents — and, with a microscope on Jets development courtesy of McGroarty’s unhappiness, this could be the ideal moment in Jets history to double down on their biggest strength.
Winnipeg might not be a premier UFA destination. Fine. That weakness comes with strength: cap space to sign top youth to deals they can outplay. Do that enough times and a summer like this one won’t repeat itself anytime soon
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Post by lenny on Jul 4, 2024 10:51:01 GMT -6
The thing about free agency if you have the kernel of talent you can attract. I use the Blackhawks as my example. Their disastrous 2004-05 season, second-worst team in the NHL gave them a high draft pick and that was Toews third overall. They didn't do much of anything on the free agent market but did via trades. Notwithstanding. That year with Toews they finished with the 4rth worst record in the NHL. But again they struck the percentages in the lottery and got the first overall pick in Kane. They built their team around these two stars and attracted free agents because of same.
As i stated in another thread here they are again, having sucked the last couple years, they get the first overall pick in 2023 in Bedard and still sucking in the 2023-24 season but they end up with the 2nd overall pick Levshunov a dman.
You need to suck to get and the Blackhawks got the idea. The Oilers also did it the hardway but they mismanaged the team in several ways before getting McDavid and Draisaitl which they have built around.
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Post by 2b9 on Jul 4, 2024 10:55:06 GMT -6
Another good article by Murat today in the Athletic and he essentially is aying what I mentioned the other day. Paywall, but a few snippets (he is proposing we sign Perfetti NOW to a long term deal). If Winnipeg is going to have limited UFA success — and if it’s going to lose the occasional McGroarty, PL Dubois or Patrik Laine — then the Jets’ only hope of leaguewide excellence is to have a best-in-class approach to handling their top young players. Young players want to know that their team values them, makes them feel like an important part of the future and will support them in their growth. McGroarty doesn’t feel that way. Heinola and Logan Stanley have previously conveyed their hopes of being traded but could now have the chance to become everyday players. Player development also plays a role in player retention. If Winnipeg isn’t going to clean up on the UFA market, then it must excel in its approach to its restricted free agents — like Perfetti. Some of Winnipeg’s best work as an organization — and its best value contracts, in terms of players outperforming their cap hit — has come from signing top young players to long-term deals at team-friendly cap hits. To me, this makes drafting, development and retention the most important pillars of Winnipeg’s success. Some teams overpay on the UFA market, working hard to retain veterans. The Jets’ best work has come in the form of value contracts to restricted free agents — and, with a microscope on Jets development courtesy of McGroarty’s unhappiness, this could be the ideal moment in Jets history to double down on their biggest strength. Winnipeg might not be a premier UFA destination. Fine. That weakness comes with strength: cap space to sign top youth to deals they can outplay. Do that enough times and a summer like this one won’t repeat itself anytime soon A lot of very good points on your part. Cheers, 2b9😉😃👍
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Post by sgtbarnes on Jul 4, 2024 12:12:31 GMT -6
Another good article by Murat today in the Athletic and he essentially is aying what I mentioned the other day. Paywall, but a few snippets (he is proposing we sign Perfetti NOW to a long term deal). If Winnipeg is going to have limited UFA success — and if it’s going to lose the occasional McGroarty, PL Dubois or Patrik Laine — then the Jets’ only hope of leaguewide excellence is to have a best-in-class approach to handling their top young players. Young players want to know that their team values them, makes them feel like an important part of the future and will support them in their growth. McGroarty doesn’t feel that way. Heinola and Logan Stanley have previously conveyed their hopes of being traded but could now have the chance to become everyday players. Player development also plays a role in player retention. If Winnipeg isn’t going to clean up on the UFA market, then it must excel in its approach to its restricted free agents — like Perfetti. Some of Winnipeg’s best work as an organization — and its best value contracts, in terms of players outperforming their cap hit — has come from signing top young players to long-term deals at team-friendly cap hits. To me, this makes drafting, development and retention the most important pillars of Winnipeg’s success. Some teams overpay on the UFA market, working hard to retain veterans. The Jets’ best work has come in the form of value contracts to restricted free agents — and, with a microscope on Jets development courtesy of McGroarty’s unhappiness, this could be the ideal moment in Jets history to double down on their biggest strength. Winnipeg might not be a premier UFA destination. Fine. That weakness comes with strength: cap space to sign top youth to deals they can outplay. Do that enough times and a summer like this one won’t repeat itself anytime soon Interesting thoughts. Using Perfetti as an example, and realistically, he would be the only example currently to use this approach on, if you offered him a 6 or 7 year deal, what would you pay him? You have the cap to deal with and need to consider his struggles late this last season and his injury history. Also taking into consideration that you could probably bridge him for 2 or 3 at somewhere around $4 mil and see how he progresses. While you may not be overpaying for UFAs, you may well end up overpaying for potential that doesn't pan out. It's a tough call.
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Post by sgtbarnes on Jul 4, 2024 12:22:19 GMT -6
The thing about free agency if you have the kernel of talent you can attract. I use the Blackhawks as my example. Their disastrous 2004-05 season, second-worst team in the NHL gave them a high draft pick and that was Toews third overall. They didn't do much of anything on the free agent market but did via trades. Notwithstanding. That year with Toews they finished with the 4rth worst record in the NHL. But again they struck the percentages in the lottery and got the first overall pick in Kane. They built their team around these two stars and attracted free agents because of same. As i stated in another thread here they are again, having sucked the last couple years, they get the first overall pick in 2023 in Bedard and still sucking in the 2023-24 season but they end up with the 2nd overall pick Levshunov a dman. You need to suck to get and the Blackhawks got the idea. The Oilers also did it the hardway but they mismanaged the team in several ways before getting McDavid and Draisaitl which they have built around. There's substance to what you say. Talent attracts talent. Unfortunately the Jets 2.0 have never been in a position to draft that star power to build around. I can't put Laine in that category. Too one dimensional.
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Post by Ric O. on Jul 4, 2024 16:49:24 GMT -6
Some interesting analytics by Hohl on X. Does any particular player stand out? Yeah Ehlers makes the top line's stats look infinitely better. But for some reason the coaches never keep it together, meaning it doesn't work, never has and probably never will. One veteran coach may have been a moron but two? Only logical explanation I can think of is that at least one of those players doesn't want that to be a permanent line.
As I recall, years ago and for a very limited time the Scheif line really clicked with Laine and Ehlers too before the Wheeler / Scheif dynamic took over...but I digress. It seems logic doesn't always come into play with the Jets.
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Post by PeakyBlinders on Jul 4, 2024 17:03:38 GMT -6
Some interesting analytics by Hohl on X. Does any particular player stand out? Yeah Ehlers makes the top line's stats look infinitely better. But for some reason the coaches never keep it together, meaning it doesn't work, never has and probably never will. One veteran coach may have been a moron but two? Only logical explanation I can think of is that at least one of those players doesn't want that to be a permanent line.
As I recall, years ago and for a very limited time the Scheif line really clicked with Laine and Ehlers too before the Wheeler / Scheif dynamic took over...but I digress. It seems logic doesn't always come into play with the Jets.
There was chatter that 55 did not like playing with Ehlers. Cause he was unpredictable. This is based on my old memory…but maybe Arniel will actually lean into the analytics on this one.
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Post by Ric O. on Jul 4, 2024 17:05:03 GMT -6
Yeah Ehlers makes the top line's stats look infinitely better. But for some reason the coaches never keep it together, meaning it doesn't work, never has and probably never will. One veteran coach may have been a moron but two? Only logical explanation I can think of is that at least one of those players doesn't want that to be a permanent line.
As I recall, years ago and for a very limited time the Scheif line really clicked with Laine and Ehlers too before the Wheeler / Scheif dynamic took over...but I digress. It seems logic doesn't always come into play with the Jets.
There was chatter that 55 did not like playing with Ehlers. Cause he was unpredictable. This is based on my old memory… Yeah that's about what I recall too...not north-south enough. Or was that Burmi? lol
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