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Post by Ric O. on Jul 4, 2024 17:12:44 GMT -6
As it sits right now, the Jets are not as good a team as they were when they were blown out by the Avs. That's obvious. Anyone who thinks the loss of Dillon is just a trivial cap issue, rethink. It's a big loss for a team that is lacking size and grit on the back end. His presence will be missed. What struck me about this year's playoffs was the level of physical play. And it seemed to ramp up round by round. They were letting so much go. Enter little Heinola. 180 lbs. soaking wet. Enter little Lambert. Pretty much the same. As skilled and quick as these guys are, they will be punished come playoff time. I don't know what Chevy has planned, but signing backup goaltenders is not very inspiring from my point of view. Heinola can fill out another couple of pounds at most. Lambert is younger and has room to grow. Reminds me of Sheif at that age. I agree on Lambert, not sure he's as good a sniper as Scheif (maybe will be) but the overall hockey IQ seems to be there and I think he's a better skater that Scheif was at that age.
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Post by 2b9 on Jul 4, 2024 18:13:32 GMT -6
Some interesting analytics by Hohl on X. Does any particular player stand out? Yeah Ehlers makes the top line's stats look infinitely better. But for some reason the coaches never keep it together, meaning it doesn't work, never has and probably never will. One veteran coach may have been a moron but two? Only logical explanation I can think of is that at least one of those players doesn't want that to be a permanent line.
As I recall, years ago and for a very limited time the Scheif line really clicked with Laine and Ehlers too before the Wheeler / Scheif dynamic took over...but I digress. It seems logic doesn't always come into play with the Jets.
Logic in general/life wise seldomly comes into play, unfortunately. That’s why we always say Logically Speaking, yet, seldomly does Logic play a part😉. Cheers, 2b9😉😃👍
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Post by 2b9 on Jul 4, 2024 18:15:30 GMT -6
Heinola can fill out another couple of pounds at most. Lambert is younger and has room to grow. Reminds me of Sheif at that age. I agree on Lambert, not sure he's as good a sniper as Scheif (maybe will be) but the overall hockey IQ seems to be there and I think he's a better skater that Scheif was at that age. Looking forward to Lambert being injected into the Winnipeg Jets lineup. Cheers, 2b9😉😃👍
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Post by 2b9 on Jul 4, 2024 18:21:45 GMT -6
Yeah Ehlers makes the top line's stats look infinitely better. But for some reason the coaches never keep it together, meaning it doesn't work, never has and probably never will. One veteran coach may have been a moron but two? Only logical explanation I can think of is that at least one of those players doesn't want that to be a permanent line.
As I recall, years ago and for a very limited time the Scheif line really clicked with Laine and Ehlers too before the Wheeler / Scheif dynamic took over...but I digress. It seems logic doesn't always come into play with the Jets.
There was chatter that 55 did not like playing with Ehlers. Cause he was unpredictable. This is based on my old memory…but maybe Arniel will actually lean into the analytics on this one. Arniel as he was hired, stated that analytics will be a much more important, significant and relevant part of how the Jets look at players. Hopefully this comes true and to fruition. Cheers, 2b9😉😃👍
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Post by 2b9 on Jul 4, 2024 18:25:11 GMT -6
There was chatter that 55 did not like playing with Ehlers. Cause he was unpredictable. This is based on my old memory… Yeah that's about what I recall too...not north-south enough. Or was that Burmi? lol Good Ole Burmi😉. Cheers, 2b9😉😃👍
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Post by Ric O. on Jul 4, 2024 19:52:56 GMT -6
Yeah Ehlers makes the top line's stats look infinitely better. But for some reason the coaches never keep it together, meaning it doesn't work, never has and probably never will. One veteran coach may have been a moron but two? Only logical explanation I can think of is that at least one of those players doesn't want that to be a permanent line.
As I recall, years ago and for a very limited time the Scheif line really clicked with Laine and Ehlers too before the Wheeler / Scheif dynamic took over...but I digress. It seems logic doesn't always come into play with the Jets.
Logic in general/life wise seldomly comes into play, unfortunately. That’s why we always say Logically Speaking, yet, seldomly does Logic play a part😉. Cheers, 2b9😉😃👍 Actually as much of life is chance, logic plays a pretty important part in my life, but everyone's experience with it is different I'm sure! lol
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Post by 2b9 on Jul 4, 2024 19:59:36 GMT -6
Logic in general/life wise seldomly comes into play, unfortunately. That’s why we always say Logically Speaking, yet, seldomly does Logic play a part😉. Cheers, 2b9😉😃👍 Actually as much of life is chance, logic plays a pretty important part in my life, but everyone's experience with it is different I'm sure! lol I hear ya and get ya👍. Unfortunately for myself, as much as I agree with you and believe in logic, I truly believe in logic, it hasn’t worked out for myself. Cheers, 2b9😉😃👍
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Post by sgtbarnes on Jul 4, 2024 21:46:58 GMT -6
Some interesting analytics by Hohl on X. Does any particular player stand out? Yeah Ehlers makes the top line's stats look infinitely better. But for some reason the coaches never keep it together, meaning it doesn't work, never has and probably never will. One veteran coach may have been a moron but two? Only logical explanation I can think of is that at least one of those players doesn't want that to be a permanent line.
As I recall, years ago and for a very limited time the Scheif line really clicked with Laine and Ehlers too before the Wheeler / Scheif dynamic took over...but I digress. It seems logic doesn't always come into play with the Jets.
Looking at that chart he makes a lot of combinations better. Not just Scheifele and Vilardi. Hohl is convinced that Ehlers can make any line better. He's a respected analytics guy for what it's worth.
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Post by sgtbarnes on Jul 4, 2024 21:59:51 GMT -6
Yeah Ehlers makes the top line's stats look infinitely better. But for some reason the coaches never keep it together, meaning it doesn't work, never has and probably never will. One veteran coach may have been a moron but two? Only logical explanation I can think of is that at least one of those players doesn't want that to be a permanent line.
As I recall, years ago and for a very limited time the Scheif line really clicked with Laine and Ehlers too before the Wheeler / Scheif dynamic took over...but I digress. It seems logic doesn't always come into play with the Jets.
There was chatter that 55 did not like playing with Ehlers. Cause he was unpredictable. This is based on my old memory…but maybe Arniel will actually lean into the analytics on this one. Being unpredictable is probably one of his biggest assets. By pushing him towards a more defensive minded predictability, I think the Jets have stifled his talent. The better thing for the team would be for 55 to figure it out and learn to thrive on it. Instead, he tugs on Bones' pant leg and says he wants KC back.
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Post by Ric O. on Jul 4, 2024 22:16:45 GMT -6
Yeah Ehlers makes the top line's stats look infinitely better. But for some reason the coaches never keep it together, meaning it doesn't work, never has and probably never will. One veteran coach may have been a moron but two? Only logical explanation I can think of is that at least one of those players doesn't want that to be a permanent line.
As I recall, years ago and for a very limited time the Scheif line really clicked with Laine and Ehlers too before the Wheeler / Scheif dynamic took over...but I digress. It seems logic doesn't always come into play with the Jets.
Looking at that chart he makes a lot of combinations better. Not just Scheifele and Vilardi. Hohl is convinced that Ehlers can make any line better. He's a respected analytics guy for what it's worth. Oh yeah, I know Garrett Hohl's been doing this a long time and he knows his stuff. By the analytics, I agree Ehlers even makes a line of slugs look better, but the most telling to me were any combo of Connor - Sheifele - XXX . All combos with them were at the bottom of the chart...until you put Ehlers with them and suddenly they're near the top.
Strangely though, Scheif is supposedly a total hockey geek...you'd think he'd be just about begging to have Ehlers on his line but it seems that's not the case. I don't know that for sure, maybe he has been and coach has been stonewalling it but that rumour always seemed to be like Peaky said, that Scheif did not feel chemistry with him, his style of play I suppose.
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Post by PeakyBlinders on Jul 5, 2024 7:55:11 GMT -6
Looking at that chart he makes a lot of combinations better. Not just Scheifele and Vilardi. Hohl is convinced that Ehlers can make any line better. He's a respected analytics guy for what it's worth. Oh yeah, I know Garrett Hohl's been doing this a long time and he knows his stuff. By the analytics, I agree Ehlers even makes a line of slugs look better, but the most telling to me were any combo of Connor - Sheifele - XXX . All combos with them were at the bottom of the chart...until you put Ehlers with them and suddenly they're near the top.
Strangely though, Scheif is supposedly a total hockey geek...you'd think he'd be just about begging to have Ehlers on his line but it seems that's not the case. I don't know that for sure, maybe he has been and coach has been stonewalling it but that rumour always seemed to be like Peaky said, that Scheif did not feel chemistry with him, his style of play I suppose.
Keep in munds as well that 55 was about the last Jet to buy into Bones defensive system. He has his own thoughts on how he best plays and thus also has his own thoughts on who fits that style with him. Hopefully, if Arniel leans towards analytics, he can show them the team is better if Ehlers is on your line, etc. Top line or second line, he needs to play more minutes than Appleton. That is just bizzare. Another thing - 55 still gets to play with Ehlers on the PP so that can be used to leverage 55 into thinking what is best for the team.
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Post by lenny on Jul 5, 2024 10:54:01 GMT -6
Looking at that chart he makes a lot of combinations better. Not just Scheifele and Vilardi. Hohl is convinced that Ehlers can make any line better. He's a respected analytics guy for what it's worth. Oh yeah, I know Garrett Hohl's been doing this a long time and he knows his stuff. By the analytics, I agree Ehlers even makes a line of slugs look better, but the most telling to me were any combo of Connor - Sheifele - XXX . All combos with them were at the bottom of the chart...until you put Ehlers with them and suddenly they're near the top. Strangely though, Scheif is supposedly a total hockey geek...you'd think he'd be just about begging to have Ehlers on his line but it seems that's not the case. I don't know that for sure, maybe he has been and coach has been stonewalling it but that rumour always seemed to be like Peaky said, that Scheif did not feel chemistry with him, his style of play I suppose.
There's rumours about Laine coming back here. Remember that hot line Ehlers, Scheifele and Laine before Maurice broke them up towards the end of Laine's first season and put Wheeler on Scheif's right side?
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Post by sgtbarnes on Jul 5, 2024 12:07:12 GMT -6
I've seen the Laine thing on line here and there. It would be a great sports story, but I can't see it. I sympathize with whatever personal issues he's dealing with. Proof positive that money doesn't mean happiness. There's the dollars as well. There'd have to be significant retention and then you still don't know if and when he's mentally ready. It sure would be an entertaining re-union.
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Post by babs44 on Jul 5, 2024 14:07:04 GMT -6
Heinola can fill out another couple of pounds at most. Lambert is younger and has room to grow. Reminds me of Sheif at that age. I agree on Lambert, not sure he's as good a sniper as Scheif (maybe will be) but the overall hockey IQ seems to be there and I think he's a better skater that Scheif was at that age. Lambert is a better skater right now.
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Post by 2b9 on Jul 5, 2024 15:00:03 GMT -6
I agree on Lambert, not sure he's as good a sniper as Scheif (maybe will be) but the overall hockey IQ seems to be there and I think he's a better skater that Scheif was at that age. Lambert is a better skater right now. I’m looking forward to Lambert being on the Jets this upcoming season. Cheers, 2b9😉😃👍
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