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Post by PeakyBlinders on Jul 8, 2024 11:44:35 GMT -6
Yep that scouting report on Stanley must of been really something back in the day? Has he even acheived 10 points in all his playing time with the jets Sheesh? Can't fight with the Bambi legs Same team with no defense upgrades Holes on the front end much like the canadian military? The scouting report on Stanley at the time of his draft was - he was big and skilled but slow afoot. So I assume the Jets 'projected' that he would be able to increase his foot speed over time. And he was not just a first round pick for us - we actually moved up to get him. This why i think we have trouble letting him go.
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Post by honeybadger on Jul 8, 2024 15:09:27 GMT -6
Stanley is a great kid iI'm sure perhaps it's still a confidence thing with him and if he comes back in his best shape ever, it could translate into a real positive! He is a Specimen of a man when running at 100 percent of his ability could be hard to stop. Here is hoping Stanley is focused in tiptop shape physically and mentally Both these things work hand in hand.
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Post by 2b9 on Jul 8, 2024 15:50:44 GMT -6
Stanley is a great kid iI'm sure perhaps it's still a confidence thing with him and if he comes back in his best shape ever, it could translate into a real positive! He is a Specimen of a man when running at 100 percent of his ability could be hard to stop. Here is hoping Stanley is focused in tiptop shape physically and mentally Both these things work hand in hand. There ya go, nothing like positive thinking, good on ya. Cheers, 2b9๐๐๐
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Post by Ric O. on Jul 8, 2024 17:49:28 GMT -6
Stanley is a great kid iI'm sure perhaps it's still a confidence thing with him and if he comes back in his best shape ever, it could translate into a real positive! He is a Specimen of a man when running at 100 percent of his ability could be hard to stop. Here is hoping Stanley is focused in tiptop shape physically and mentally Both these things work hand in hand. I'm always here to have Stan's back. Just objectively, the numbers still tell a much different story than the eye test of many fans.
He's 22 points +17 in 139 regular season games.
He's 2G 2A in +4 in 12 playoff games.
When the Jets brought him into the lineup in 20-21, in the playoffs his stat-line was 8GP, 2G, 1A, +6! averaging 15:23. Then he basically lost his position due to injury.
Then look at what the Jets did collectively in this years playoffs...probably one of the most lopsided series I've ever seen. What a brutal beatdown that was...well Stan was 0G, 1A, -1 in 3 games...I almost had to take a double take on that because from the fan vibe I'd swear he must have been on the ice for at least 12 goals against. As it turns out, the Jets were about neutral when he was out there, which is a major plus over what they were the majority of the time.
Awkward looking for sure... underrated, I still think very much so. JMO...not expecting to change anyone's mind lol!
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Post by bigoljetairliner on Jul 8, 2024 18:36:50 GMT -6
Not trying to start an argument or anything, but the advanced stats aren't as kind to Stanley. Stanley started off pretty well in his rookie season, where his best advanced stats occurred, as well as +13 of that +17 overall plus/minus rating. Overall, he has only won the shots/shots on net race once in 4 years and had a positive on-ice goal differential on two occasions. The year he played the most (2021), was his worst season with huge actual & expected goal differentials and the Jets scoring 64% of their goals when he wasn't on the ice. In terms of expected goals, only once in his career was Winnipeg expected to score more goals when he was on the ice when compared to when he was on the bench (and even then the xG% was less than 50%). I think he is a functional sixth or seventh defenseman, but having the team trade up to draft him in the 1st round has probably put unreachable expectations on Stanley.
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Post by hillman on Jul 8, 2024 18:51:20 GMT -6
When Big Stan actually uses his potential physicality, I think he has a place on the team despite his brain farts. We don't have enough physical players to handle some of the playoff series we just saw. And I'll repeat what I've said before, every team has players like Stan and Gus.They have to because the league has a hard cap. Gus is every bit the hockey player that Stanley Cup winner Stenland is.
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Post by Ric O. on Jul 8, 2024 19:17:00 GMT -6
Na I wouldn't argue about Stanley. I just think he's done quite well in about 4 seasons of extremely broken usage...139 games is about a year and a half of total experience. The year he had the steadiest run of games, he was at his best I think, which is not surprising to me...give a player a chance to build confidence and rhythm. When they give him such spotty selection of games and basically expecting him to be an enforcer to earn his position, which isn't really his game, and then pull him out because he makes a mistake, it's not a good development model - IMO.
But I won't argue with you BOJA that he's more than he is either, I don't think he's a top 4 guy either...maybe he's 6th, maybe could be 5th, that's fine. Has not panned out to justify trading up to get him where they did (imagine how Canes feel about Haydn Fleury!). The way things have been going past couple of years I'd still put Stan out there in any situation over Pionk.
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Post by honeybadger on Jul 8, 2024 21:31:17 GMT -6
Stanley might surprise us all when Brad Lambert and NIK Ehlers plus Chibby Infiltrate the offence Zone creating tons of offense for everyone to feast off? Lets hope the Necas rumours are just that cuz i"m hearing he's a definite step down from Ehlers? Chevy should know that. Go Jets GO. Ehlers with Lambert would be a very fast line, lets make it happen Why should Wpg take someone"s seconds!
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Post by 2b9 on Jul 9, 2024 5:48:36 GMT -6
Na I wouldn't argue about Stanley. I just think he's done quite well in about 4 seasons of extremely broken usage...139 games is about a year and a half of total experience. The year he had the steadiest run of games, he was at his best I think, which is not surprising to me...give a player a chance to build confidence and rhythm. When they give him such spotty selection of games and basically expecting him to be an enforcer to earn his position, which isn't really his game, and then pull him out because he makes a mistake, it's not a good development model - IMO. But I won't argue with you BOJA that he's more than he is either, I don't think he's a top 4 guy either...maybe he's 6th, maybe could be 5th, that's fine. Has not panned out to justify trading up to get him where they did (imagine how Canes feel about Haydn Fleury!). The way things have been going past couple of years I'd still put Stan out there in any situation over Pionk. 7th, possible 6th on the Jets when need be, he could be a 5th/6th full timer on a bottom feeder team, just my thoughts and opinion. Cheers, 2b9๐๐๐
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Post by honeybadger on Jul 9, 2024 8:30:25 GMT -6
Whats your take fella's on this Martin Necas player! Is he a step up from Ehlers or a step Down! I like Ehlers he's a fan favorite to many fans with his zone entries and speed. However these old men that coach the jets use him wrong and not enough. He's got more in the tank than this Necas Player I think. Confidence is again a problem with some of our players with coaches that treat them like their second rate. Scheif gets favor status over Ehlers he knows it, deflects his image and causes things like Playoff performance Numbers not where they should be? Without Ehlers the Jets are real Boring? Place Ehlers with Lambert and Chibricov and we might be saying Monahan and Taffolli Who?
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Post by lenny on Jul 10, 2024 12:07:24 GMT -6
Whats your take fella's on this Martin Necas player! Is he a step up from Ehlers or a step Down! I like Ehlers he's a fan favorite to many fans with his zone entries and speed. However these old men that coach the jets use him wrong and not enough. He's got more in the tank than this Necas Player I think. Confidence is again a problem with some of our players with coaches that treat them like their second rate. Scheif gets favor status over Ehlers he knows it, deflects his image and causes things like Playoff performance Numbers not where they should be? Without Ehlers the Jets are real Boring? Place Ehlers with Lambert and Chibricov and we might be saying Monahan and Taffolli Who? Very comparable. Last few years has shown his durability. Off the chart 60+ possession statistics the last couple of years and more productive in the playoffs.
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Post by honeybadger on Jul 10, 2024 17:17:08 GMT -6
Lots of trade hype on Necas and Ehlers, Chevy stated Ehlers part of the jets Culture going forward! Maybe just Maybe a Laine reunite is in the works! Comments?
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Post by 2b9 on Jul 10, 2024 17:59:25 GMT -6
Lots of trade hype on Necas and Ehlers, Chevy stated Ehlers part of the jets Culture going forward! Maybe just Maybe a Laine reunite is in the works! Comments? Highly doubtful that Laine becomes a Winnipeg Jet again, contract in itself/length and cost per season does not fit, including Laine himself not fitting into the lineup, weโve got youth coming up that will be part of the Jets, Laine doesnโt fit in/look at the contract length and cost per season, itโs not going to happen. Just my thoughts and opinion. Cheers, 2b9๐๐๐
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Post by wolfmannick on Jul 10, 2024 19:43:36 GMT -6
Lots of trade hype on Necas and Ehlers, Chevy stated Ehlers part of the jets Culture going forward! Maybe just Maybe a Laine reunite is in the works! Comments? Highly doubtful that Laine becomes a Winnipeg Jet again, contract in itself/length and cost per season does not fit, including Laine himself not fitting into the lineup, weโve got youth coming up that will be part of the Jets, Laine doesnโt fit in/look at the contract length and cost per season, itโs not going to happen. Just my thoughts and opinion. Cheers, 2b9๐๐๐ Unless he gets bought out
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Post by sgtbarnes on Jul 11, 2024 0:06:26 GMT -6
Highly doubtful that Laine becomes a Winnipeg Jet again, contract in itself/length and cost per season does not fit, including Laine himself not fitting into the lineup, weโve got youth coming up that will be part of the Jets, Laine doesnโt fit in/look at the contract length and cost per season, itโs not going to happen. Just my thoughts and opinion. Cheers, 2b9๐๐๐ Unless he gets bought out Very good point, Wolfman. That's a real possibility. A buyout would trim close to $5 mil off the Jackets' cap next 2 years.
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