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Post by jjmoohead on Oct 6, 2011 9:12:34 GMT -6
Listening to all the bettman hate is funny. I don't like him as much as the next guy but some of you are acting like babies. Waaa waaa bettmans a wessel waaa waaa everyone hates him waa waa. who cares. Sunday is not about bettman, its about Winnipeg, its about Manitoba, its about Canada and the sport we all love. It is not about one guy who is the most hated guy in professional sport. We do have reason to like him (even if I don't). Without him pushing for the changes in the league structure (salary cap) we wouldn't even be considered for the NHL again. He has been talking to us since 2007 for serious consideration and first met with Chipman at the Salt Lake City Olympics. Its not like this was a last minute thing. people for get that. Lets all go back to crying now. I'm probably the biggest cry baby that you're referring to here, but the funny thing is I actually agree with you in large part. I'm just speaking my mind since there is a thread discussing it. But the thing is, it's really being made into a way bigger thing than it is. Let's face it, Bettman is going to be booed. It seems like there will be a smattering of cheers from some, but overall he will be booed on Sunday if/when he shows his face. And it won't affect anything at all - it's really not a big deal. So to a large degree, why are we even overthinking this? We got a team back and that's awesome. Sunday is going to be the greatest day in Winnipeg history; oh, and yeah Bettman is going to get booed because 80% of people still hate his guts. Might as well get it over with, but it is going to happen. It will be interesting for sure, I truely want to believe that its more of a 50/50 boo to cheer ratio. Most of the true fans get what happened, and don't hate him for it. I truely believe that most of the people booing are booing because they hate him "just because" and not for the team leaving. It seems the majority here are "over it" and will be cheering that day. Id like to think that Majority will include winnipegers and we will be mostly boo free. We will have to see on Sunday. I think your 80% figure is way to high. 80% might still hate him (I SURE DO!!!), but I dont think 80% will be booing. And yes, this is being made way bigger then it is.
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Post by jetsorbust on Oct 6, 2011 9:27:15 GMT -6
Who blamed Bettman for us losing the team? I haven't heard one person say it was his fault. The fact remains however that he made it more difficult for us to keep the team. It probably wouldn't have mattered anyways, but that's not the point. It's not that we would have kept the team if it weren't for him, it's that he not only did nothing to help us but in fact went out of his way to make it more difficult for us to keep the team. I liken it to coming across a stray, wounded kitten. It probably won't make it, but Bettman still didn't have to boot it in the head. Unless you were involved in the negotiations back then, you have no idea what happened and neither do I For all we know these roadblocks put up could have been Bettman being the fall guy for all those involved in trying to save the team. Remember these guys still had to do business in Winnipeg, perhaps they realized it couldn't work, the risk was too high. You think they would want that getting out, the backlash could have ruined them That is bad logic, only being used to try to prove the point you want to make. The simple answer is that he did throw up roadblocks, as has been widely reported by many people. Like you said, unless you were there and know that this isn't true, we have to assume it is. The simplest answer is generally the right one, not a conspiracy to make Bettman look bad when he was actually a good guy, as you are basically suggesting without any evidence of it.
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Post by jetsorbust on Oct 6, 2011 9:30:06 GMT -6
I'm probably the biggest cry baby that you're referring to here, but the funny thing is I actually agree with you in large part. I'm just speaking my mind since there is a thread discussing it. But the thing is, it's really being made into a way bigger thing than it is. Let's face it, Bettman is going to be booed. It seems like there will be a smattering of cheers from some, but overall he will be booed on Sunday if/when he shows his face. And it won't affect anything at all - it's really not a big deal. So to a large degree, why are we even overthinking this? We got a team back and that's awesome. Sunday is going to be the greatest day in Winnipeg history; oh, and yeah Bettman is going to get booed because 80% of people still hate his guts. Might as well get it over with, but it is going to happen. You know that for fact or is it just 'wishful thinking' on your part ? Obviously no one knows anything about the future with "100% certainty" but let's be honest, it is as good as fact. And that's my point, yes I hope he gets booed but setting my personal thoughts aside, it's also just plain a sure thing. He got booed on May 31 as he was sitting there announcing the Jets return, he gets booed everywhere he goes, and most people (except for the hardcores on this board who IMO overthink things) in this city hate his guts. So no, I don't know he will get booed. But I would be shocked if he didn't, let's be honest we all know it will happen.
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Post by jetsorbust on Oct 6, 2011 9:34:13 GMT -6
It will be interesting for sure, I truely want to believe that its more of a 50/50 boo to cheer ratio. Most of the true fans get what happened, and don't hate him for it. I truely believe that most of the people booing are booing because they hate him "just because" and not for the team leaving. It seems the majority here are "over it" and will be cheering that day. Id like to think that Majority will include winnipegers and we will be mostly boo free. We will have to see on Sunday. I think your 80% figure is way to high. 80% might still hate him (I SURE DO!!!), but I dont think 80% will be booing. And yes, this is being made way bigger then it is. I get what you are saying, and I guess we'll see. I don't think my 80% is too far off, but we shall find out. This is definitely being made into a big thing though. I hate Bettman as much as anything, but whether he got cheered or booed, it still wouldn't be anything I was thinking about for more than a few seconds after it happens. The whole day will be awesome, and even Bettman's ugly mug won't be able to ruin it!
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Post by hobble on Oct 6, 2011 9:54:54 GMT -6
Bettman is booed everywhere.
He could save a box of orphaned puppies from Al Qaida and still be booed..
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Post by domi on Oct 6, 2011 9:59:37 GMT -6
Bettman is booed everywhere. He could save a box of orphaned puppies from Al Qaida and still be booed.. ^ That's some funny stuff!!!
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Post by jjmoohead on Oct 6, 2011 10:01:57 GMT -6
You know that for fact or is it just 'wishful thinking' on your part ? most people (except for the hardcores on this board who IMO overthink things) in this city hate his guts. Just so we are all clear, you are also one of those hardcores on this board who IMO overthink things I don't think anyone thinks nobody will boo. I just hope that people will be grownups and realize sunday is a good day and not be immature 4 year olds.
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Post by jjmoohead on Oct 6, 2011 10:04:49 GMT -6
Unless you were involved in the negotiations back then, you have no idea what happened and neither do I For all we know these roadblocks put up could have been Bettman being the fall guy for all those involved in trying to save the team. Remember these guys still had to do business in Winnipeg, perhaps they realized it couldn't work, the risk was too high. You think they would want that getting out, the backlash could have ruined them That is bad logic, only being used to try to prove the point you want to make. The simple answer is that he did throw up roadblocks, as has been widely reported by many people. Like you said, unless you were there and know that this isn't true, we have to assume it is. The simplest answer is generally the right one, not a conspiracy to make Bettman look bad when he was actually a good guy, as you are basically suggesting without any evidence of it. hey can you list some of these road blocks for everyone. I don't doubt you, I just want to see some newsprint or something where it shows what he did to make sure we didn't have a team. Can we say for certain the road blocks were not there to make sure of garenteed success for the future and not just some patch work that will need to be fixed later? Those wouldn't be bad road blocks for example.
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Post by JayR on Oct 6, 2011 10:57:04 GMT -6
That is bad logic, only being used to try to prove the point you want to make. The simple answer is that he did throw up roadblocks, as has been widely reported by many people. Like you said, unless you were there and know that this isn't true, we have to assume it is. The simplest answer is generally the right one, not a conspiracy to make Bettman look bad when he was actually a good guy, as you are basically suggesting without any evidence of it. hey can you list some of these road blocks for everyone. I don't doubt you, I just want to see some newsprint or something where it shows what he did to make sure we didn't have a team. Can we say for certain the road blocks were not there to make sure of garenteed success for the future and not just some patch work that will need to be fixed later? Those wouldn't be bad road blocks for example. Yes - jetsorbust seems to have all the answers, yet fails to tell us what they are....
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Post by jetsorbust on Oct 6, 2011 10:59:51 GMT -6
most people (except for the hardcores on this board who IMO overthink things) in this city hate his guts. Just so we are all clear, you are also one of those hardcores on this board who IMO overthink things No doubt! All I meant was, most people on this board are so into the Jets/NHL that we overthink things. My point is the common fan probably won't have spent hours trying to justify why we shouldn't boo Bettman even though we hate him, and thus most people will probably just boo when he comes out.
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Post by jetsorbust on Oct 6, 2011 11:06:44 GMT -6
hey can you list some of these road blocks for everyone. I don't doubt you, I just want to see some newsprint or something where it shows what he did to make sure we didn't have a team. Can we say for certain the road blocks were not there to make sure of garenteed success for the future and not just some patch work that will need to be fixed later? Those wouldn't be bad road blocks for example. Yes - jetsorbust seems to have all the answers, yet fails to tell us what they are.... I've never claimed to have all the answers. I was a snot-nosed 10 year old kid when the Jets left, surprisingly I wasn't privy to all of the inside negotiations to save the Jets. But I've talked about the Jets to almost everyone I've met over the last 15 years, so I have heard from several people who had at least a bit better of an idea of what went on back then than I did. My understanding is that Bettman (and the league) changed deadlines and changed ownership rules (related to who/how many people could form an ownership group) which made it more difficult for anyone to step forward to save the Jets. You can all choose to believe that or not, I for one do because of the number of people I've heard allude to the same sort of thing. But the over-riding truth in all of this is simpler. Can anyone honestly say, from the way things generally went in the 90's that they doubt Bettman wanted to move into big US markets and didn't care what happened to "the little guy" in order to get there?Be honest with yourself, we all know Bettman didn't care about Winnipeg and had no interest in working to save small market teams, because he believed the grass was greener in big US markets. Maybe your fine with that, but personally, that makes me think he's a weasel and I don't like that sort of person or want that sort of person as the head of the league.
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Post by pegger5 on Oct 6, 2011 11:17:45 GMT -6
Wow, some of you guys that hold grudges..... Bettman has made up for 1995 in my mind... The reality is Winnipeg had no owner, a crappy arena, and average season ticket base and corporate support.... Winnipeg's economy was hurting back then... Oh, and the CDN dollar sucked..... Where is any of this Bettmans fault? Because he didn't fight like he is in Phoenix? Guess what?, they are only in Phoenix because the city of Glendale keeps giving the 25 million a year... Something Winnipeg would not do...
So, before all you bitter Bettman haters that hold grudges, please think about the business side of the history of 1995. He supported 100% this team coming back.... If Chipman and Thomson support him and thank him then so do I.... I will be cheering/clapping for him because without his support we would not have a team.... He didn't really fight for Atlanta did he? Almost same situation as Winnipeg in 1995, No? (except new arena)
I think people that will boo are classless and really don't understand the economics of the game and especially the reality of 1995... Show the world what a great classy city Winnipeg is by clapping....not booing or hissing like children... Future is now.. not 1995...
I was 25 when they left FYI so I lived it and understood it... Sad yes, mad yes... but understood... They came back... and to Winnipeg first! Not to Hamiltion, Quebec but to Winnipeg!
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Post by USApegger on Oct 6, 2011 11:22:51 GMT -6
Wow, some of you guys that hold grudges..... Bettman has made up for 1995 in my mind... The reality is Winnipeg had no owner, a crappy arena, and average season ticket base and corporate support.... Winnipeg's economy was hurting back then... Oh, and the CDN dollar sucked..... Where is any of this Bettmans fault? Because he didn't fight like he is in Phoenix? Guess what?, they are only in Phoenix because the city of Glendale keeps giving the 25 million a year... Something Winnipeg would not do... So, before all you bitter Bettman haters that hold grudges, please think about the business side of the history of 1995. He supported 100% this team coming back.... If Chipman and Thomson support him and thank him then so do I.... I will be cheering/clapping for him because without his support we would not have a team.... He didn't really fight for Atlanta did he? Almost same situation as Winnipeg in 1995, No? (except new arena) I think people that will boo are classless and really don't understand the economics of the game and especially the reality of 1995... Show the world what a great classy city Winnipeg is by clapping....not booing or hissing like children... Future is now.. not 1995... I was 25 when they left FYI so I lived it and understood it... Sad yes, mad yes... but understood... The experiment wnet wrong so Bettman came back... and to Winnipeg first! I nominate this for Post of the Year
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Post by jetsorbust on Oct 6, 2011 11:35:54 GMT -6
Wow, some of you guys that hold grudges..... Bettman has made up for 1995 in my mind... The reality is Winnipeg had no owner, a crappy arena, and average season ticket base and corporate support.... Winnipeg's economy was hurting back then... Oh, and the CDN dollar sucked..... Where is any of this Bettmans fault? Because he didn't fight like he is in Phoenix? Guess what?, they are only in Phoenix because the city of Glendale keeps giving the 25 million a year... Something Winnipeg would not do... So, before all you bitter Bettman haters that hold grudges, please think about the business side of the history of 1995. He supported 100% this team coming back.... If Chipman and Thomson support him and thank him then so do I.... I will be cheering/clapping for him because without his support we would not have a team.... He didn't really fight for Atlanta did he? Almost same situation as Winnipeg in 1995, No? (except new arena) I think people that will boo are classless and really don't understand the economics of the game and especially the reality of 1995... Show the world what a great classy city Winnipeg is by clapping....not booing or hissing like children... Future is now.. not 1995... I was 25 when they left FYI so I lived it and understood it... Sad yes, mad yes... but understood... They came back... and to Winnipeg first! Not to Hamiltion, Quebec but to Winnipeg! That's where you just aren't listening to what I'm saying though. I completely understand the economics of the situation. I'm not sure Bettman could have saved the Jets 1.0 if he tried, and I've said 100 times I don't blame him for the Jets leaving. But, that still doesn't change that he was all too happy to see the Jets leave and from everything I've ever heard, threw up roadblocks to the admittedly feeble attempts that were made to save the team. That, combined with his generally smug and condescending demeanour, are the reasons why I hate the man. And frankly, I obviously don't care about Atlanta and am happy we got a team back (where it's deserved) but if I were one of the few hockey fans in Atlanta, I'd be pissed at Bettman for how he handled that situation as well. Seems like the grass suddenly seemed greener in Wpg (than in Atlanta)... because economically it is, it just took the Count a while to realize it.
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Post by myusernamesucks on Oct 6, 2011 11:39:40 GMT -6
Yes - jetsorbust seems to have all the answers, yet fails to tell us what they are.... I was a snot-nosed 10 year old kid when the Jets left, surprisingly I wasn't privy to all of the inside negotiations to save the Jets. And you're a snot nosed 25 year old now. Grow up, and get over yourself.
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