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Post by dkehler on Aug 3, 2011 10:13:19 GMT -6
"Self-loathing" is exactly what he seems to be about. Forgive me if I am less than thrilled that the only songs about Winnipeg anybody knows are the "I hate Winnipeg" thing and "Portage and Main, 50 below". Way to reinforce the negative stereotypes, boys.
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Post by TheDeuce on Aug 3, 2011 13:06:15 GMT -6
"Self-loathing" is exactly what he seems to be about. Forgive me if I am less than thrilled that the only songs about Winnipeg anybody knows are the "I hate Winnipeg" thing and "Portage and Main, 50 below". Way to reinforce the negative stereotypes, boys. Thank you and well said! I've been wondering where the emperors clothes were.... m.
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Post by jjmoohead on Aug 3, 2011 13:59:49 GMT -6
Looks liek I lost my karma point cause some poor boy cried over my distaste for people that cry about the logo. It was worth it.
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Post by mrconfusion87 on Aug 3, 2011 20:50:04 GMT -6
The article based on snippets I caught while glancing through the article is nothing more than PC drivel if you ask me and hardly worth my time reading sentence by sentence!
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Post by TheWinnipegJets on Aug 4, 2011 0:49:54 GMT -6
When I was a kid, I used to draw the old 80's Jets logo too: The little encircled jet was just the easy part...and when I couldn't reproduce the challenging curves of the "JETS" part with my crayon...I ate it. For me, there was no dreaming of "the flowering of exploration and internationalism in the burgeoning age of affordable air travel"...(whew) that was just a bit too lofty for this wax-lipped kid to comprehend.
Any kid that DOES (eventually) get recruited into the military (directly) BECAUSE of this new logo probably belongs just ahead of the front line of ANY military. Godspeed--thank you for taking one for the rest of us. (I am only half-kidding.)
I would be curious to know where John S. draws the line with his stance....I sense that the Thrashers jersey purchase is (more or less) about as far as it goes...hmm, there might be a song somewhere in there too? Will he take a free ticket to a game at the MTS Centre? If he does, will he buy a beer or two as well? He could sell the ticket and donate the proceeds to a peaceful charity--he does seem to love his Hockey though...
Don't get me wrong: I am as anti-establishment as the next guy on many fronts and I am mostly FOR a guy like John S., but did anyone ever REALLY question Chipman's political leanings throughout the years? The haircut and tie is usually a dead giveaway for this type of thing. If Chipman, Harper and (late '60s) John Lennon walked into a bar, would Chipman be the odd man out?
To be sure, I am very proud of Chipman's Hockey accomplishments; he has done incredible things for the city of Winnipeg. He is a more handsome man and a better person than I ever will be, etc. But I never imagined him at the Folk Festival with his shoes and socks off playing air mandolin on a muddy patch of grass.
To be honest, I'm betting that it could have ONLY been a Right-leaning, Conservative-type that could have ever hoped to bring the NHL back to Winnipeg, but this is ALL just my opinion.
For the record, I still think that John S. is a talented songwriter (it's the characters in his song that hate Wpg, not him...read the lyrics, it's pretty obvious)...I just don't wholly agree with his post.
Thanks.
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Post by lukemiguez on Aug 4, 2011 1:40:41 GMT -6
To be honest, I'm betting that it could have ONLY been a Right-leaning, Conservative-type that could have ever hoped to bring the NHL back to Winnipeg, but this is ALL just my opinion. Whatever. Good job pushing this towards an ideological debate, though. "Self-loathing" is exactly what he seems to be about. Forgive me if I am less than thrilled that the only songs about Winnipeg anybody knows are the "I hate Winnipeg" thing and "Portage and Main, 50 below". Way to reinforce the negative stereotypes, boys. So he's a "self-loather" because he thinks negatively about the symbolism that the Jets used for their branding? Why do I get the feeling that some people don't like these arguments because they say less then flattering things about the Jets?
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Post by jjmoohead on Aug 4, 2011 2:24:49 GMT -6
Dislike Logo because it has blue in it. You see their is blue in the sky, and clouds are in the sky. Once I saw a cloud that looked like dinosaur that was going to eat me. Unfortunately now when I see the color blue I think of a t-rex chasing me and it makes me wet myself. Jets logo has to go!
The above has about the same brilliance in reasoning as this article has. The logo is great and people who make politically charged comments about it are stupid...there I said it! STUPID!
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Post by jetsorbust on Aug 4, 2011 7:05:05 GMT -6
Dislike Logo because it has blue in it. You see their is blue in the sky, and clouds are in the sky. Once I saw a cloud that looked like dinosaur that was going to eat me. Unfortunately now when I see the color blue I think of a t-rex chasing me and it makes me wet myself. Jets logo has to go! The above has about the same brilliance in reasoning as this article has. The logo is great and people who make politically charged comments about it are stupid...there I said it! STUPID! You couldn't be more right. It's a freaking hockey symbol and a tribute to men and women who have fallen for their country, anyone with a problem with it is a moron, plain and simple.
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Post by prariefire on Aug 4, 2011 8:18:45 GMT -6
Dislike Logo because it has blue in it. You see their is blue in the sky, and clouds are in the sky. Once I saw a cloud that looked like dinosaur that was going to eat me. Unfortunately now when I see the color blue I think of a t-rex chasing me and it makes me wet myself. Jets logo has to go! The above has about the same brilliance in reasoning as this article has. The logo is great and people who make politically charged comments about it are stupid...there I said it! STUPID! You couldn't be more right. It's a freaking hockey symbol and a tribute to men and women who have fallen for their country, anyone with a problem with it is a moron, plain and simple. Hey you will never be able to please everyone so just let them complain about the logo then they are leaving something else alone! I bought my hat and t-shirts can not wait for the jersey...... lets support our JETS GO JETS GO!
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Post by 1979 on Aug 4, 2011 9:13:40 GMT -6
I'm going to go pre-order my new Jets jersey with the military plane on it, and enjoy my Weakerthans discography.
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Post by rusty on Aug 4, 2011 9:18:40 GMT -6
To be honest, I'm betting that it could have ONLY been a Right-leaning, Conservative-type that could have ever hoped to bring the NHL back to Winnipeg, but this is ALL just my opinion. Whatever. Good job pushing this towards an ideological debate, though. "Self-loathing" is exactly what he seems to be about. Forgive me if I am less than thrilled that the only songs about Winnipeg anybody knows are the "I hate Winnipeg" thing and "Portage and Main, 50 below". Way to reinforce the negative stereotypes, boys. So he's a "self-loather" because he thinks negatively about the symbolism that the Jets used for their branding? Why do I get the feeling that some people don't like these arguments because they say less then flattering things about the Jets? no, he's a self loather because he felt the need to write a letter to let us all know why he doesn't like the logo and what his political stances are and what type of shirt he bought. I'll be honest, who the hell is this guy anyways? Never heard of him... And from the little I have now, I think he is a dip crap. He should stick to talking to his 43 fans, and not try and be Bono or something.
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Post by LTZ on Aug 4, 2011 9:35:38 GMT -6
Whatever. Good job pushing this towards an ideological debate, though. So he's a "self-loather" because he thinks negatively about the symbolism that the Jets used for their branding? Why do I get the feeling that some people don't like these arguments because they say less then flattering things about the Jets? no, he's a self loather because he felt the need to write a letter to let us all know why he doesn't like the logo and what his political stances are and what type of shirt he bought. I'll be honest, who the hell is this guy anyways? Never heard of him... And from the little I have now, I think he is a dip crap. He should stick to talking to his 43 fans, and not try and be Bono or something. BOOM! Oh crap, I think I should probably refrain from using BOOM! It sounds a little too militaristic. I really don't want to alienate or offend anyone. How about ZING! I think that should be ok. I'll go with that. ZING!
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Post by dkehler on Aug 4, 2011 10:08:06 GMT -6
To be honest, I'm betting that it could have ONLY been a Right-leaning, Conservative-type that could have ever hoped to bring the NHL back to Winnipeg, but this is ALL just my opinion. Whatever. Good job pushing this towards an ideological debate, though. "Self-loathing" is exactly what he seems to be about. Forgive me if I am less than thrilled that the only songs about Winnipeg anybody knows are the "I hate Winnipeg" thing and "Portage and Main, 50 below". Way to reinforce the negative stereotypes, boys. So he's a "self-loather" because he thinks negatively about the symbolism that the Jets used for their branding? Why do I get the feeling that some people don't like these arguments because they say less then flattering things about the Jets? What the heck is the "I hate Winnipeg" lyric if not self-loathing? Yes, I know he SAYS that it's meant to be ironic, but I still have not been convinced by anybody that this is evident anywhere in the song. This latest diatribe against the logo is just more of the same. If you are determined to overthink it, you can convince yourself to be offended by many team logos. It's just stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2011 10:14:04 GMT -6
People who cringe over the fact that the new logo is "militaristic" should look at it more like a symbol of defending our country. It is not violent, war-mongering, nor is it anti-peace. The new logo is meant to evoke a sense of pride in our own national defence. I'm anti-war, but so is the RCAF. Do you really think the RCAF was created to cause war? It was established to defend those who face tyrrany. Hence the reason why I really like and respect the new logo.
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Post by 1979 on Aug 4, 2011 10:22:11 GMT -6
I don't know why I torture myself by continuing to get involved in this discussion, but I guess I just suffer from an intellectual disability of some kind.
He's been a Jets fan for as long as the Jets were around. He likes the music of the Guess Who, and I'm pretty sure he performed with some of them.
It's obvious to anyone who knows more than the lyrics of one song that the song is ironic. The rest of his music clearly speaks of Winnipeg in a positive, reverent tone.
No one has to listen to his music; I don't care if any of you do.
The lyrics are meant as being ironic and satirical.
This is why there aren't characters like Archie Bunker on TV anymore (or why the ones that are, are largely railed against by people). People have such over-stimulated sensibilities that no one is willing to entertain the idea that someone could be saying something non-literal.
Again - don't like or listen to his music or agree with anything he says (I certainly don't agree with his position on the logo - he's making the same kind of mistake some of you are), but don't just make blanket statements without at least being mildly informed.
I'm sorry about the tone of this post, because I like most of you. I just get frustrated when I sit here, knowing that what people are saying is completely wrong, so I feel compelled to defend him, not because I care that it's a singer I like, but because I hate to see anyone who isn't available to defend themselves get attacked on a personal level, just because someone is disagreeing with their opinion.
There's a difference between attacking a specific thing someone is saying, and attacking the person, and it's not evident that this difference is being understood here.
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