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Post by cheswick on Oct 7, 2011 14:28:06 GMT -6
Never understood this argument. Stupid scalpers stop fans from going to games!!!!!!! That's not true in the least. If a scalper sells his tickets for 2,3 or 10 tiems face value the person who bought the ticket is still a fan and still attending the game. All scalpers do is increase the price a fan has to pay to attend the game. So fans with less means liek myself cannot afford to attend but I also can't afford a porche. Tough luck for me. If someone can afford to pay $1000 to attend good for him. The arena will be full on Sunday. Full of Jets fans who paid from $45 to $1500 to attend the game. Scalpers didn't screw anybody out of a ticket. Supply and demand did. I can't say I agree with you. Scalping is not the worst thing in the world, and almost helps most of the time, since it makes a road trip possible. But there is something not right about 1 more kid (or adult) crying at home that they missed out on tickets, because some scumbag is trying to make a buck. But they aren't missing out on the game cause a "scumbag" wanted to make a buck. They are missing out on the game cause a different Jets fan was willing (or able) to pay more for the ticket than they were. If they bought the ticket at face value then the guy who was gonna go by paying the scalper would be sitting at home upset. There is no net gain of more fans seeing the game regardless of the scalping. If people were only willing to pay face value for the ticket there would be no scalping market. The market only exists cause there are Jets fans willing to pay more than face value to see the games. People like me, and poor little cripple Jimmy and his blue collar daddy can't afford scalpers prices. So? We can't afford Porches and houses in Tuxedo either. Going to an NHL game is a luxury not a necessity. Prices on the secondary market are what the market will bare. Secondary market prices in Phoenix are below face value cause the supply is outstripping the demand. Prices in Winnipeg are above face value cause demand is outstripping supply. The argument that scalpers are keeping real fans from going ot the games is simply untrue. Cause real fans are buying the tickets from the scalpers. You can only argue that scalpers are keeping tickets out of the hand of the lower income person. Thats completely accurate but is it unjust? Not sure that it is.
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Post by leemccolm on Oct 7, 2011 15:17:56 GMT -6
The problem is...if you making scalping legal. Then everyone and their dog can just try and buy up all the seats for every event even if they don't want to go. This makes an artificial demand. Everyone who legitimately wants to go to the event now has to pay jacked up prices that the scalpers set.
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Post by flyingjay on Oct 7, 2011 15:30:40 GMT -6
I can't say I agree with you. Scalping is not the worst thing in the world, and almost helps most of the time, since it makes a road trip possible. But there is something not right about 1 more kid (or adult) crying at home that they missed out on tickets, because some scumbag is trying to make a buck. But they aren't missing out on the game cause a "scumbag" wanted to make a buck. They are missing out on the game cause a different Jets fan was willing (or able) to pay more for the ticket than they were. If they bought the ticket at face value then the guy who was gonna go by paying the scalper would be sitting at home upset. There is no net gain of more fans seeing the game regardless of the scalping. If people were only willing to pay face value for the ticket there would be no scalping market. The market only exists cause there are Jets fans willing to pay more than face value to see the games. People like me, and poor little cripple Jimmy and his blue collar daddy can't afford scalpers prices. So? We can't afford Porches and houses in Tuxedo either. Going to an NHL game is a luxury not a necessity. Prices on the secondary market are what the market will bare. Secondary market prices in Phoenix are below face value cause the supply is outstripping the demand. Prices in Winnipeg are above face value cause demand is outstripping supply. The argument that scalpers are keeping real fans from going ot the games is simply untrue. Cause real fans are buying the tickets from the scalpers. You can only argue that scalpers are keeping tickets out of the hand of the lower income person. Thats completely accurate but is it unjust? Not sure that it is. That's exactly the point I was trying to make. Very well said. I feel terrible for the families that tried to get seasons and couldn't. But like cheswick said, the demand greatly outweighed supply. Such is life. And to say that scalping creates artificial demand, that is true. But I don't think it's even close to the level of "actual" demand that is naturally created for these tickets. I would even say that it's fairly insignificant. For the home opener, if all tickets went to JUST families with children and corporates (or whoever you think they should've been allocated to), do you think that the demand for the tickets would be lower? I'd say it would be almost exactly the same as it is now.
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Post by pegger999 on Oct 7, 2011 16:08:48 GMT -6
Boohoo, there have already been plenty of instances to buy single game tickets. There will be again each month. Stop crying about scalpers, honestly it happens in every city and is only based on supply and demand. No one cried when they paid 3/4 of the price outside the old arena, but having to pay higher prices is a crime?
Good to see the priority of our police is spending valuable resources on catching 2 scalpers then major crime in Winnipeg. Reminds me of the old Bomber games when the Anti gang unit was busy handing out open alcohol tickets... Priorities?
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Post by LTZ on Oct 7, 2011 16:18:15 GMT -6
Boohoo, there have already been plenty of instances to buy single game tickets. There will be again each month. Stop crying about scalpers, honestly it happens in every city and is only based on supply and demand. No one cried when they paid 3/4 of the price outside the old arena, but having to pay higher prices is a crime? Good to see the priority of our police is spending valuable resources on catching 2 scalpers then major crime in Winnipeg. Reminds me of the old Bomber games when the Anti gang unit was busy handing out open alcohol tickets... Priorities?
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Post by LTZ on Oct 7, 2011 16:19:20 GMT -6
Boohoo, there have already been plenty of instances to buy single game tickets. There will be again each month. Stop crying about scalpers, honestly it happens in every city and is only based on supply and demand. No one cried when they paid 3/4 of the price outside the old arena, but having to pay higher prices is a crime? Good to see the priority of our police is spending valuable resources on catching 2 scalpers then major crime in Winnipeg. Reminds me of the old Bomber games when the Anti gang unit was busy handing out open alcohol tickets... Priorities? That follows forum etiquette, doesn't it?
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Post by zippy on Oct 7, 2011 16:55:50 GMT -6
Why can Stub Hub sell the tickets at scalpers prices?
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Post by LTZ on Oct 7, 2011 17:12:17 GMT -6
Why can Stub Hub sell the tickets at scalpers prices? As I understand it, StubHub itself isn't based in MB and, as such, not subject to MB laws.
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Post by zippy on Oct 7, 2011 18:46:55 GMT -6
Ahhh...I see, just doesn't seem right.
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Post by prariefire on Oct 7, 2011 18:57:33 GMT -6
Ahhh...I see, just doesn't seem right. It is not right
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Post by hacky666 on Oct 7, 2011 19:34:32 GMT -6
Why can Stub Hub sell the tickets at scalpers prices? As I understand it, StubHub itself isn't based in MB and, as such, not subject to MB laws. As per stubhub's Rules and Policies or this link > www.stubhub.com/help/
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Post by cheswick on Oct 7, 2011 19:36:03 GMT -6
Why can Stub Hub sell the tickets at scalpers prices? Stub hub isn't selling the tickets. It's simply a market place to list your tickets. Stub hub isn't breaking any laws. The seller of the tickets are. Just like kijiji wasn't breaking any laws.
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Post by sting on Oct 7, 2011 22:39:57 GMT -6
Why can Stub Hub sell the tickets at scalpers prices? Stub hub isn't selling the tickets. It's simply a market place to list your tickets. Stub hub isn't breaking any laws. The seller of the tickets are. Just like kijiji wasn't breaking any laws. Sure they are. They are making money off tickets that are sold on their site that over face value. They get a fee off a ticket that was illegal sold. Kijiji does not get a fee.
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Post by selanne on Oct 8, 2011 1:20:16 GMT -6
Never understood this argument. Stupid scalpers stop fans from going to games!!!!!!! That's not true in the least. If a scalper sells his tickets for 2,3 or 10 tiems face value the person who bought the ticket is still a fan and still attending the game. All scalpers do is increase the price a fan has to pay to attend the game. So fans with less means liek myself cannot afford to attend but I also can't afford a porche. Tough luck for me. If someone can afford to pay $1000 to attend good for him. The arena will be full on Sunday. Full of Jets fans who paid from $45 to $1500 to attend the game. Scalpers didn't screw anybody out of a ticket. Supply and demand did. I can't say I agree with you. Scalping is not the worst thing in the world, and almost helps most of the time, since it makes a road trip possible. But there is something not right about 1 more kid (or adult) crying at home that they missed out on tickets, because some scumbag is trying to make a buck. It's sad that families in Winnipeg can't afford housing because greedy homeowners are selling their houses for more than they paid for them, according to market demand... I wish there were more families out there who would just sell me their house for the price they paid. That would be fair!
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Post by ministerofdefense on Oct 8, 2011 7:01:55 GMT -6
I can't say I agree with you. Scalping is not the worst thing in the world, and almost helps most of the time, since it makes a road trip possible. But there is something not right about 1 more kid (or adult) crying at home that they missed out on tickets, because some scumbag is trying to make a buck. It's sad that families in Winnipeg can't afford housing because greedy homeowners are selling their houses for more than they paid for them, according to market demand... I wish there were more families out there who would just sell me their house for the price they paid. That would be fair! Ha i love it, my thoughts exactly. The housing analogy is great and also someone else had mentioned that people willing to pay big $$$$$$ are just as much fans as the poorer people but one group gets shut out obviously, oh well = make more money!
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