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Post by bigchris on Oct 12, 2011 20:51:02 GMT -6
Absolutely they saw it... and left it in there, I think, for a reason. The message is strong, albeit abrasive. There was a way to save the Jets and that was to go to the games. As Zinger said, he was there, and we weren't. I hope that message lingers in 'Peggers minds; We can't make the same mistake twice. Sure, we sold it out in 5 minutes but like the message or not, I hope Zingers words still ring in our ears 20 years from now. No. You know who else was there? Me. It was not due to a lack of support that we lost the original Jets. That is putting the blame on the one place where it doesn't belong. True that.
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Post by sting on Oct 12, 2011 20:51:30 GMT -6
One thing: For whatever reason, AHL and ECHL Playoff Attendances are lower than regular season. I have no clue why though. No freebies for the playoffs. Same thing happens to the Goldeyes.
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Post by goto10 on Oct 12, 2011 21:14:48 GMT -6
No. You know who else was there? Me. It was not due to a lack of support that we lost the original Jets. That is putting the blame on the one place where it doesn't belong. True that. Pardon me, I must have missed all those sellouts... Anyway, I know it's more complicated than that... arena, salaries, CDN dollar... That said, I stand by my point and ticket sales was at least part of the problem. Are you saying Zinger was just outright WRONG in what he said in that video? We'll agree to disagree on that.
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Post by dkehler on Oct 12, 2011 21:22:59 GMT -6
Pardon me, I must have missed all those sellouts... Anyway, I know it's more complicated than that... arena, salaries, CDN dollar... That said, I stand by my point and ticket sales was at least part of the problem. Are you saying Zinger was just outright WRONG in what he said in that video? We'll agree to disagree on that. Yes, he (and you) are wrong unless you think Winnipeg should be held to a much higher standard than everywhere else during that time period. Do the math. That extra 1500 or 2000 seats, the cheap seats mind you, would have added very little to the ultimate bottom line. Far, far from enough to have made a significant difference.
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Post by Ric O. on Oct 12, 2011 21:29:01 GMT -6
Ticket sales (attendance) wasn't a problem (aside from the last season for obvious reasons). They had a revenue problem in terms of $ per fan. Tickets were cheap and they didn't get concession revenue, etc.. Naturally it's not easy to jack up your ticket prices when the fans have to accept an arena that the owners themselves deemed to be sub-par, and they were contractually bound to have a payroll in the bottom 1/3 of the league.
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Post by jval07 on Oct 12, 2011 21:31:10 GMT -6
Shenkarow always said he had to give tickets away for close to nothing to get people to the arena. That's why he had tickets selling at 7/11, Bi-way and Bargain Harolds for cheap. Yeah, our attendance may not have been bad when compared to the NHL average, but the average dollar made per ticket sold was very little.
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Post by LTZ on Oct 12, 2011 21:32:47 GMT -6
Shenkarow always said he had to give tickets away for close to nothing to get people to the arena. That's why he had tickets selling at 7/11, Bi-way and Bargain Harolds for cheap. Yeah, our attendance may not have been bad when compared to the NHL average, but the average dollar made per ticket sold was very little. Very true. As a kid I went to more games for free or next to nothing than those my pops would pay full price for.
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Post by goto10 on Oct 12, 2011 21:34:10 GMT -6
Pardon me, I must have missed all those sellouts... Anyway, I know it's more complicated than that... arena, salaries, CDN dollar... That said, I stand by my point and ticket sales was at least part of the problem. Are you saying Zinger was just outright WRONG in what he said in that video? We'll agree to disagree on that. Yes, he (and you) are wrong unless you think Winnipeg should be held to a much higher standard than everywhere else during that time period. Do the math. That extra 1500 or 2000 seats, the cheap seats mind you, would have added very little to the ultimate bottom line. Far, far from enough to have made a significant difference. Ok, fine, as we'd only be talking about a couple of million dollars a year in added ticket sales revenue. But, now that the other (ok, major) factors are shored up like ownership, an arena, CBA/salary cap, and CDN dollar, what is the one element of the equation that TN would be most concerned about 15 years from now, all other things equal? Ticket sales. Bettman said it too. The message is my point, mostly... not what caused the demise. I'm not pointing the finger at the Jets 1.0 fan so in that respect, I retract.
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Post by Ric O. on Oct 12, 2011 21:37:15 GMT -6
Shenkarow always said he had to give tickets away for close to nothing to get people to the arena. That's why he had tickets selling at 7/11, Bi-way and Bargain Harolds for cheap. Yeah, our attendance may not have been bad when compared to the NHL average, but the average dollar made per ticket sold was very little. Very true. As a kid I went to more games for free or next to nothing than those my pops would pay full price for. But that was the NHL back then. It was like that in most markets...even most Canadian ones. Remember the Oilers were within a whisker of moving to Houston, and they had an arena that is still NHL calibre today (albeit now considered marginal).
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Post by Ric O. on Oct 12, 2011 21:41:43 GMT -6
Anyway, it doesn't make much sense to dredge up the failings of Jets "1.0" at this time. It's a dark road. I'm not sure why Heisinger feels the need to either...he should be feeling like he's on top of the world but apparently that's not the case. Sad.
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Post by LTZ on Oct 12, 2011 21:51:15 GMT -6
Anyway, it doesn't make much sense to dredge up the failings of Jets "1.0" at this time. It's a dark road. I'm not sure why Heisinger feels the need to either...he should be feeling like he's on top of the world but apparently that's not the case. Sad. I think he should be happy too. However, I'm not him and can't say he should be feeling one way or the other. I'm not even sure why we need to analyze his "feelings" right now. I'm more interested in the team and their performance. I'll judge zinger based on his performance with this team. Let's give him more than one game. Being a good coach or GM does not REQUIRE one to be a media darling or fan friendly. See: Bill Belichik - New England Patriots.
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Post by dkehler on Oct 12, 2011 21:55:39 GMT -6
Shenkarow always said he had to give tickets away for close to nothing to get people to the arena. That's why he had tickets selling at 7/11, Bi-way and Bargain Harolds for cheap. Yeah, our attendance may not have been bad when compared to the NHL average, but the average dollar made per ticket sold was very little. The seats you are talking about are the ones in the nosebleeds/deathtrap/obstructed view sections. The expensive seats (relatively speaking) always sold out first. Again, the problem being the arena, not fan support.
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Post by Ric O. on Oct 12, 2011 22:26:51 GMT -6
Anyway, it doesn't make much sense to dredge up the failings of Jets "1.0" at this time. It's a dark road. I'm not sure why Heisinger feels the need to either...he should be feeling like he's on top of the world but apparently that's not the case. Sad. I think he should be happy too. However, I'm not him and can't say he should be feeling one way or the other. I'm not even sure why we need to analyze his "feelings" right now. I'm more interested in the team and their performance. I'll judge zinger based on his performance with this team. Let's give him more than one game. Being a good coach or GM does not REQUIRE one to be a media darling or fan friendly. See: Bill Belichik - New England Patriots. Good terms of reference...I don't think you'd ever hear Bill Belichick call out the fans of his team v1.0 who are the same fans of v2.0 and I don't think he'd be sulking over his move from the minors to the bigs. He's all about the here and now. You can't judge the performance in isolation from the attitude, as a poor attitude could leave the impression that you're getting less than 100% commitment to performance. But yes, I do believe Heisinger has earned the benefit of the doubt for some time yet. As hard as it is for me to understand any mourning of the Moose, obviously it was a big part of their life for many years.
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Post by ministerofdefense on Oct 12, 2011 22:29:35 GMT -6
Something weird about heisinger.
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Post by Lions67 on Oct 13, 2011 0:07:37 GMT -6
even if winnipeg had sold out the building, so what? the Jets never saw any of it. WEC took all the money, made the Jets pay rent, no parking, no consession, NOTHING!
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