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Post by bigcanadiano on Aug 4, 2012 21:32:03 GMT -6
Winnipeg back from the dead, not prove D. Thompson is our hossana. Could anyone have predicted it. Clearly with the benefit of hindsight, now, tells us differently. We could be better off with Asper in line had he saved the team. Shenkarow screwed us royal. People and politics were to blame for the reasons the Jets left. Don't let diffidence fool you. I never thought I'd say this, but Bettman righted a wrong, so he cleared his conscious of it. I never saw this coming. That's my honest belief.
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Post by bigcanadiano on Aug 4, 2012 21:34:15 GMT -6
I would like to thank all of you for making me filthy rich to the day I die. Worship a liar, all hail me.  |
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Post by bigcanadiano on Aug 4, 2012 21:36:41 GMT -6
Bottom line is this, I am sore they left. Something smelled rotten, and everything happens for a reason the way it did.
The Jets being back is probably the greatest moment of my life. Not kidding. I'm not married, I don't have kids. So put that in your pipes, smoke it, pass it around.
Shenkarow is douche.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2012 21:36:43 GMT -6
For all we know, we could have won a Stanley Cup at some point during those 15 years. You never know!
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Post by bigcanadiano on Aug 4, 2012 21:39:23 GMT -6
For all we know, we could have won a Stanley Cup at some point during those 15 years. You never know! In my 20 (at least 20) years as a hockey fan, I have never witnessed the domination the Kings won the cup with last year. That includes the powerhouse teams Detroit had in the 2000's. If the Kings can do it, so could we. |
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Post by slippy on Aug 4, 2012 21:43:02 GMT -6
- When the Jets left, they were playing out of Winnipeg Arena (the NHL's worst and oldest arena - a facility never even designed for NHL hockey!!!)
- When the Jets left, they were "handcuffed" by a terrible landlord known at WEC (Winnipeg Enterprises). I think we were among the only NHL franchises with a "landlord" that controlled the arena
- When the Jets left, they had one of worst ownership groups in Barry Shenkarow.
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- A brand-new arena at the site where Shaw Park now stands would have re-energized the city & fanbase.
- A new ownership group consisting of Izzy Asper, Mark Chipman, or whoever else would have re-energized the city & fanbase.
- The death and obliteration of WEC (Winnipeg Enterprises) would have re-engerized the city & fanbase.
In short, if everything changed in 1996 for the better (instead of the relocation to Phx), I think the Jets would have become one of the premiere organizations in the NHL, and would still be going strong today, in 2012.
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Post by bigcanadiano on Aug 4, 2012 21:46:09 GMT -6
^I agree 100%.
P.S. I also agree with deuce in his assertion that the new logo and color schemes are the dazzling.
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Post by The Unknown Poster on Aug 5, 2012 13:36:52 GMT -6
Totally unfair to blame Shenkarow. He was warning people for years that the Jets were unsustainable without a new arena and sources of revenue. What was he supposed to do, go bankrupt?
I cant speak to his personality but it was very clear that the proposed new ownership group wanted nothing to do with him. I distinctly recall him stating during the whole Save the Jets hoopla that if the Government would build an arena or allow him to have VLT revenue, he would keep the Jets in Winnipeg forever.
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Post by Lions67 on Aug 5, 2012 13:48:36 GMT -6
Totally unfair to blame Shenkarow. He was warning people for years that the Jets were unsustainable without a new arena and sources of revenue. What was he supposed to do, go bankrupt? I cant speak to his personality but it was very clear that the proposed new ownership group wanted nothing to do with him. I distinctly recall him stating during the whole Save the Jets hoopla that if the Government would build an arena or allow him to have VLT revenue, he would keep the Jets in Winnipeg forever. i agree with this 100% to blame Shenkarow for them leaving proves that you either were too young to remember the facts or you just werent paying attention. |
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Post by bigcanadiano on Aug 5, 2012 14:21:10 GMT -6
I cant speak to his personality but it was very clear that the proposed new ownership group wanted nothing to do with him. I would argue your point is well taken here. I wonder what critical analysis, should bring more light to that issue you presented. If you really think about it really - really hard. You might be surprised with what answer you come up with. There is a reason for everything, sometimes the most obvious points of view are meant to pull the wool over our eyes. Shenkarow used this as leverage to get every penny he thought he deserved, people didn't like him for a reason. I am 100% confident in saying that. |
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Post by bigcanadiano on Aug 5, 2012 14:31:19 GMT -6
^Politicians were just as much to blame for this. Think about it, how would any politician say they had their hands tied behind their back, if it meant promoting a deal with the government. It was a blatant misuse of public policy. The conflict of interest is made prevalent, then how could any government agency, come out on record saying Shenkarow was holding them for ransom.
Therefore, government agency had no real reason to protract from Shenkarow's false aims. Ask yourself: did Shenkarow not know, people in government were not prepared to accept his terms. Shenkarow defected playing both sides of the fence the whole way through. There must have been a few politicians opposed to any subsidy toward Shenkarow, rather than convince him of a new arena deal. Ego's cost the Jets demise.
Shenkarow wanted profits without paying back a dime, if it meant dealing with public policy. He wanted nothing to do with it, he wanted the government on the hook for all losses. It was a clever way to find leverage. Shenkarow had no interest in keeping the team in Winnipeg, if it meant losing his piece of the pie. He wanted full control of this operation. How is that not clear. Case in point: there is no way Shenkarow would guaranteeing the government subsidy, he would not sell the team, leaving the government on the hook for the financing of a new arena. How is that not simple, cut, dry. It's the main premise in the entire reason Shenkarow fleeced us out of our team.
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Post by potrzebie on Aug 5, 2012 16:06:19 GMT -6
They would have left anyway sometime before the lockout. At that time even with a new building it would have been a razor thin proposition. The business model with the MTS Centre is much more solid.
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Post by bigcanadiano on Aug 5, 2012 21:04:58 GMT -6
There is nothing that nullified our potential to keep the team, it was all about: money, politics, power. The transparency in return of what could have been was completely compromised, to skew the fact Shenkarow had no blame in that is as perverse a reality, the most average citizen, fail to relate. A True North model of ownership is transparent, it's not rocket science. Shenkarow wanted to stuff his pockets.
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Post by bigcanadiano on Aug 5, 2012 21:10:48 GMT -6
^Someone tell me why that is preposterous.^ You can't therefore you won't. There was no just cause in the initiative taken by Shenkarow. Asper was all in if it wasn't for Shenkarow's approach to monopolize the team. It's pure fiction. (i.e. non-fictitious) You have all the motives required to underscore the control Shenkarow refused to annul. It was something Bettman wasn't going to force Shenkarow to do. How can anyone not see that is beyond me.
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Post by maniaaron on Aug 5, 2012 22:00:38 GMT -6
how much did Shenkarow make selling when he did ?
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