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Post by bigcanadiano on Aug 6, 2012 15:36:52 GMT -6
There is no question in my mind, the Manitoba Gardens would have kept the team here. I love D. Thompsons, but this discourse of the team having left is just as relevant. The business model TN had was nothing compared to that vermin Shenkarow's. How is that bashing is beyond me. This isn't far fetched. Guys like Randy Turner can write all they want to, there's two sides to every story. Asper would never, I mean never, count his chickens before they hatch. He was onto Shenkarow, Barry didn't like it. End of story. Shenkarow knew he had a gold mine, Asper would have ate Shenkarow alive.
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Post by potrzebie on Aug 6, 2012 16:23:20 GMT -6
The business model TN had was nothing compared to that vermin Shenkarow's. WTF? We get it, you hate Barry Shenkarow. Do you have anything to add that's relevant to the OP?
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Post by grumpy on Aug 6, 2012 16:25:22 GMT -6
Totally agree potrzebie. For that comment - have some karma...
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Post by bigcanadiano on Aug 6, 2012 17:10:03 GMT -6
The business model TN had was nothing compared to that vermin Shenkarow's. WTF? We get it, you hate Barry Shenkarow. Do you have anything to add that's relevant to the OP? I just think we deserved a better fate. What more are you thinking, I have no idea. It's not about hating anyone, tell me how I hate Barry Shenkarow. It's a matter of principle. People should ask themselves how much Shenkarow made off with, at the expense of the fans in a small market, that loved their team. He destroyed our passion of it. What is not to be gained from that. It's relevant to the thread, it means we deserved better than what happened. Is it better than what we have now, I say no, then it's totally relevant what we could have had. That is a direct answer to the question. He asked if we are better off. Yes, but on much different terms which should be raised. That's all I'm doing. So many people are mum about what Shenkarow's role was in losing the team. I am not blaming myself for what could have been done. Chipman had a different version, which we are very fortunate to have got our team back. Think about it. We can easily still have Moose here instead of Jets.
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Post by bigcanadiano on Aug 6, 2012 17:12:25 GMT -6
Case in point ^ I am not taking anything for granted. I stand by my opinion. I'm a union buster at heart.
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Post by Tim on Aug 7, 2012 8:46:56 GMT -6
Case in point ^ I am not taking anything for granted. I stand by my opinion. I'm a union buster at heart. You seem to be a big Izzy fan I will let you in on a little story I was told from one of the members who was apart of the save the Jets deal. I’m not going to drop names and you can believe this story or not and remember Barry and Izzy were also business partners in other things in Winnipeg at the Time. Do you remember the 12.00 noon deadline when they need to get the money to Barry, well as the group of these men celebrated in Izzys office drinking and eating corn beef sandwiches because they had the money to pay Barry, one person approached Izzy and said the deadline is past should we not courer the check over to Barry right now. Izzys response “In my eyes there is no blanken deadline, shut up, sit down and eat” Do you remember there was some controversy in the news that the cheque never made it to Barry on time well that’s why. Believe it or not, and from there the fighting started Typical Izzy style of business, when Barry showed he wouldn’t be pushed around by Izzy, Izzy bolted.
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Post by bigcanadiano on Aug 7, 2012 15:40:12 GMT -6
When it comes down to dollars, Shankarow easily pulled the rug from under Asper. That's how I see it, anyhow. Different sides to the story will be told. I think it's a relevant conversation, which is all I truly get at.
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Post by Lions67 on Aug 7, 2012 15:53:09 GMT -6
When it comes down to dollars, Shankarow easily pulled the rug from under Asper. That's how I see it, anyhow. Different sides to the story will be told. I think it's a relevant conversation, which is all I truly get at. delusional to think that Shenkarow pulled anything from Izzy. absolute hogwash. your misguided HATRED for Shenkarow is geeting in the way of the facts. time to stop talking now canadiano, cuz you are clueless.
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Post by bigcanadiano on Aug 7, 2012 16:03:27 GMT -6
So, tell me if I am clueless, explain to me that a 12noon deadline passes, that my "hatred" for Shenkarow would not allow me to purchase the team. Tell me. I'll wait. Oh this will be good.
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Post by Lions67 on Aug 7, 2012 17:27:25 GMT -6
So, tell me if I am clueless, explain to me that a 12noon deadline passes, that my & quot;hatred" for Shenkarow would not allow me to purchase the team. Tell me. I'll wait. Oh this will be good. you already got your answer on the "deadline".
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Post by Lions67 on Aug 7, 2012 18:13:49 GMT -6
Bottom line is this, I am sore they left. Something smelled rotten, and everything happens for a reason the way it did. The Jets being back is probably the greatest moment of my life. Not kidding. I'm not married, I don't have kids. So put that in your pipes, smoke it, pass it around. Shenkarow is douche. certainly not something you would say about someone you have no "hatred" for is it? or is another thing that is "taken out of context" again?
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Post by bigcanadiano on Aug 7, 2012 19:11:32 GMT -6
So, tell me if I am clueless, explain to me that a 12noon deadline passes, that my & quot;hatred" for Shenkarow would not allow me to purchase the team. Tell me. I'll wait. Oh this will be good. you already got your answer on the "deadline". Okay, but do not attempt in accusing me I am not using my own opinion clearly enough. I believe what I say I do. Shenkarow used his own leverage in spite of what others thought they could do. In the case of Asper, he was to be the major part of the deal, then Shenkarow did not want to adopt. The 39mil which was the purchase price to buy the team, through agreement with the city. So that also means, Shenkarow would have to share in alimony what the city is owed in perpetuity. As the majority owner of the club, he wanted the biggest piece of the pie he could get. That is motive, which meant to hold Asper off with his right to sell the team to any investor HE WANTED.
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Post by bigcanadiano on Aug 7, 2012 19:42:54 GMT -6
What, how does that not make sense.
Seriously,
(a) do not attempt (b)accusing me (c) not using my opinion clearly enough.
Seriously.
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Post by bigcanadiano on Aug 7, 2012 19:45:36 GMT -6
^I said that because I was called clueless.
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Post by Ric O. on Aug 7, 2012 19:52:36 GMT -6
^I said that because I was called clueless. Right, which is disrespectful. The thread has obviously gone way off topic. Everyone, please limit the discussion in this thread to something close to the question of "are we stronger for having lost the Jets?" If you want to talk about Jets 1.0 ownership, please do that in the appropriate section. Thanks in advance. jetshockeyforum.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=original
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