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Post by bigcanadiano on Aug 7, 2012 20:02:19 GMT -6
but what did I do so wrong, in the way I wrote it, it is not way off base, how did that not make sense. Should I have used: "accusing me OF not using my opinion clearly enough.". I am sorry I failed to use the proper conjunctive element. I am beyond disbelief. I have never once come on here without interest of clarifying what I write, I do not see the harm in that.
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Post by bigcanadiano on Aug 7, 2012 20:07:45 GMT -6
And mods, you know I am more then willing to answer anyone's questions surveying what I write. I am not hijacking this thread. I believe the position I took relates HOW GOOD we are "better off" in comparison to what COULD HAVE been. I see relevance in knowing that aspect of it, I think it's important without being off topic.
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Post by jetsv2 on Aug 7, 2012 20:27:43 GMT -6
but what did I do so wrong, in the way I wrote it, it is not way off base, how did that not make sense. Should I have used: "accusing me OF not using my opinion clearly enough.". I am sorry I failed to use the proper conjunctive element. I am beyond disbelief. I have never once come on here without interest of clarifying what I write, I do not see the harm in that. Again, that made very little sense.
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Post by bigcanadiano on Aug 7, 2012 22:25:48 GMT -6
but what did I do so wrong, in the way I wrote it, it is not way off base, how did that not make sense. Should I have used: "accusing me OF not using my opinion clearly enough.". I am sorry I failed to use the proper conjunctive element. I am beyond disbelief. I have never once come on here without interest of clarifying what I write, I do not see the harm in that. Again, that made very little sense.
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Post by shakinallover on Aug 7, 2012 23:36:14 GMT -6
I may not always agree with the big guy but I do not have any trouble understanding his points of view. I guess some like teasing the junkyard dog from the safe side of the fence.
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Post by TheDeuce on Aug 8, 2012 0:12:34 GMT -6
To quote a wise man: The thread has obviously gone way off topic. Everyone, please limit the discussion in this thread to something close to the question of "are we stronger for having lost the Jets?" If you want to talk about Jets 1.0 ownership, please do that in the appropriate section. Thanks in advance. jetshockeyforum.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=originalEnough nonsense guys! There's an argument thread somewhere in the off-topic sub-forum. Use it. In the meantime, I'm wondering where the hypothetical new arena would have been. The Forks? m.
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Post by wolfmannick on Aug 8, 2012 0:25:36 GMT -6
^ Was there any sort of development plan for the new arena back then? Like, what was theroetically going to happen if the team did stay. bare with me I was 6 lol.
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Post by TheDeuce on Aug 8, 2012 0:54:24 GMT -6
^ Was there any sort of development plan for the new arena back then? Like, what was theroetically going to happen if the team did stay. bare with me I was 6 lol. I recall a couple of options. One was a complete refurbishment of the old arena which I believe was the least desirable alternative. Another idea was a stadium / arena that somehow served as a home to both the Bombers and the Jets. I think it involved an entire side of seats moving in and out. The sites being discussed were the Forks, in Headingley (where the Iceplex is) and south of the Convention Centre. Some info on the MEC can be found here: www.curtiswalker.com/jets/mec.aspxm.
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Post by wolfmannick on Aug 8, 2012 1:08:51 GMT -6
Where were they planning on getting the money for this rink? It says nothing in that article as to where money was coming from but this would have been an overly expensive investment in the mid 90's when the Canadian dollar wasn't worth the paper it was printed on. Hard to see an elaborate rink like that one being a realistic option back then.
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Post by Tim on Aug 8, 2012 4:30:37 GMT -6
^ Was there any sort of development plan for the new arena back then? Like, what was theroetically going to happen if the team did stay. bare with me I was 6 lol. Ya they were going to build the new arena where the ball diamond is. At the time they got the area ready for ground work, knockdown a building and were ready to start building at a moments notice. We had site trailers in place already for the start of construction.
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Post by bigcanadiano on Aug 8, 2012 8:31:22 GMT -6
Re; tim / deuce
I was about 17 at the time initiative for a new arena took place, they had set up a tent on the grounds where the ball park is at the forks. I was 17. Even though I see a lot more clearly now of what could have been, that being said, man the Manitoba Gardens would have been so sweet at the forks. I was in awe.
I believe it was around 1995, when things were beginning to unravel, everything was happening, it seemed, at a panic level. So, I believe the promotion (due diligence) for a new arena was around that same year, but the chances the hypo-arena would be a reality were slim at best. Talk about pulling on heart strings. I was desperate for a new arena.
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Post by bigcanadiano on Aug 8, 2012 8:33:40 GMT -6
^ so yeah my answer to the hypo-arena would have been is at the forks. Manitoba Gardens would have been beautiful.
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Post by beller79 on Aug 8, 2012 8:44:34 GMT -6
Stronger for having lost them....YES!
I think we appreciate the team a whole lot more. During last season I saw countless new hockey fans emerge, everyone is wearing Jets gear of some kind. The MTS centre / Jets games are easily the hottest ticket in town. The support is huge and the team is guarrenteed success by locking in tickets for 3-5 years.
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Post by cad141 on Aug 8, 2012 9:25:55 GMT -6
Are we better of? Based on the quality of our TN ownership, the answer is yes. Chipman & Co. learned to run a hockey franchise (IHL, AHL, and now NHL) properly and has the backing and wisdom of Thompson. These guys understand marketing and running a business, with very little ego involved.
The previous franchise just had too many egos (ownership and government) and had very poor marketing acumen, especially since Winnipeg had the smallest market in the first place. How could the previous franchise survive with rising costs, a city-controlled arena or a large one where no owner wants to take the risk themselves?
Because of the departure, Winnipeggers finally understood the real value of an NHL franchise. Remember how many people before were concerned about paying tons of money for tickets, thinking no one in Winnipeg would do that? And yet, we have people who would PAY to be on a WAITING LIST.
Jets fans deserve a franchise run by people who know how to run a hockey franchise for the long-term. It's our time!
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Post by jmt21 on Aug 8, 2012 13:04:06 GMT -6
If I'm not mistaken Barry sold the team for 65M USD which due to the poor dollar equated to 100M CDN at the time. He would have sold to local ownership for around 30M - 35M. IIRC a few days before the deadline in August 1995.. GB announced that a local ownership had to possess a net worth of 600M. Which is why John Loewen and his group immediately had to bow out.
The WEC was still IMO the biggest obstacle standing in the way of our success back then.
It turned out for the better in the long run.
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