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Post by jetsv2 on Mar 22, 2013 14:43:56 GMT -6
How about moving Slater to D? After all, he's a good defensive player with offensive weaknesses. Therefore he should be a defenceman. Stuart likes to block shots, mabye we could use him as a backup goalie.
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Post by garretwilkinson on Mar 22, 2013 14:53:48 GMT -6
Buff as a forward would be sick tho.... It'll never happen but a guy can dream lol
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Post by jetsv2 on Mar 22, 2013 15:10:01 GMT -6
Buff as a forward would be sick tho.... It'll never happen but a guy can dream lol Yea seeing his icetime reduced by 10 minutes would be so sick, and the loss of that 103+ mph slapshot on the point would be great. People need to realize as a forward buff is a 2nd-3rd line forward who has never had more than 30 points playing winger and he is a multiple time 50 point dman. A 50 point dman who is learning to be defensivly responsible is 20x more valuable than a 30 point 2nd-3rd line winger.
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Post by Grumpz on Mar 22, 2013 15:13:41 GMT -6
Althought he still makes too many defensive zone errors, if he was making as many as he was last yr, I'd still be on the "move him up" bandwagon.
I like him on the blue line now, just not in the last 2 minutes of the game when we're tied or up a goal, and not when we are short handed.
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Post by bruinnyandthejets on Mar 22, 2013 15:30:37 GMT -6
Length of membership has a ton to do with it bruinnyandthejets becasue this topic has been brought up at least 6 times in the last few months, and every time it ends with the simple fact that Noel has said he has never considered moving him to forward and Buff has no interest in playing forward, and unless your going to put him on the top line, his ice time is going to go from 23-24 minutes to 15-16 minutes which is a waste. BUFF IS A DMAN, END OF DESCUSSION. Maybe his ice time going from 23-24 mins to 15-16 mins is a good thing, have you paid real close attention to Buff in the last 5-10 mins of every game, he's exhausted, that's not a knock on buff, and I'm a big big fan, I'm just saying considering the possibility and its pros versus cons there are several pros. And really length of time on here actually doesn't matter, how many times its brought up only points to one thing and that it is worthy of conversation, and again just because a suggestion may not work at one point in time doesn't mean it can be revisited, circumstances change that may warrant a second look at things. Noel refuses to put him at forward because at the start of last season Buff said he doesn't want to play forward. Well maybe Noel should grow a set and put the best interests of the team ahead of the individual, and if Buff doesn't like it and pouts is this really the type of character we want on our jets? I want players that will do anything and play anywhere they are asked to try to improve the team. If they try it and Buff gives it an honest effort and it doesn't work, then put him back on the point.
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Post by hotdog on Mar 22, 2013 15:30:53 GMT -6
Yeah, he may be learning to be defensively responsible, but man does he give the puck away a ton. Pretty much tops in the league.
And I know it's his style of play, but when you make things look effortless on offence, that's a good thing; when you just plain look effortless on defense, that's frustrating.
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Post by lenny on Mar 23, 2013 15:49:17 GMT -6
The last few games Buff has been horrible. The giveaways and embarrassing falling down giveaway last game. He's hazardous back there but he doesnt want to move so we're stuck with him at that position.
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Post by lovethejets on Mar 23, 2013 16:50:33 GMT -6
I would agree ^ he doesn't,t need more ice time...too tired at the end of a long shift and he just gives the puck away too often...he should be placed where he can do the most damage to help the team win...forward
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Post by shakinallover on Mar 23, 2013 17:01:34 GMT -6
I'm not too supportive of moving him up to forward either but on the other hand since when does a player dictate to a coach as to where he's going to play?
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Post by lovethejets on Mar 23, 2013 17:06:16 GMT -6
^ agreed....buff wants to play...who gives a rats azz what he wants....go where the team says you go...you are a 4 million dollar per year asset
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Post by jetsv2 on Mar 23, 2013 17:13:21 GMT -6
He had 1 good playoff run as a forward, and everyone thinks he is some kind of elite winger. The fact is that he has never had more points in a season as a forward than he has on defence. He has had 53 points twice as a dman and in one of those seasons playing only 66 games. The year the Hawks won the cup he played 82 games during the regular season and only had 34 points.
Buff is currently scoring at a .7 ppg pace. Over 82 games that is a 57.7 point pace, which would be a career high, he is also currently a +2 right now, in every season but one in his NHL career he was a - player. Even in the Blackhawks cup run Buff was a -2.
There is a reason that the only people who bring this up anymore are fans.
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Post by Sam on Mar 23, 2013 17:35:40 GMT -6
Why is it a bad discussion? Half the things posted on here are theoretical and made up in dream land, so why not talk about this?
Personally I think what the OP is saying is right, situations have changed and there are a lot of D lined up, and he gives great points as to why and how he would bulk up our forwards.
So, yes. I think if Buff was up for the change then yeah I'd give him a shift on wing. Whether he is or isn't up for it is moot. It is merely a discussion.
BB would be, in my opinion, tremendous on the wing, adding that cliché'd X-factor to the lines. What he gives in the minutes he's on the ice is good, but as said almost every game, he gets extremely tired towards the end of his shift. Giving him shorter stints on wing would be a good move.
Again, no problem as it wouldn't happen. But it's a discussion, so just get on with it and d i s c u s s
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Post by therocket on Mar 23, 2013 17:57:15 GMT -6
leave him on d to keep him happy, but have 2 other defencemen on the ice at the same time. tell buff he can do whatever the heck he wants, roam around as much as he likes and the other 2 d will cover for him. yes i am joking. what i would like to see more of though is some rushes by Bogo. and for him to hit the net.
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Post by lenny on Mar 23, 2013 17:58:40 GMT -6
He had 1 good playoff run as a forward, and everyone thinks he is some kind of elite winger. The fact is that he has never had more points in a season as a forward than he has on defence. He has had 53 points twice as a dman and in one of those seasons playing only 66 games. The year the Hawks won the cup he played 82 games during the regular season and only had 34 points. Buff is currently scoring at a .7 ppg pace. Over 82 games that is a 57.7 point pace, which would be a career high, he is also currently a +2 right now, in every season but one in his NHL career he was a - player. Even in the Blackhawks cup run Buff was a -2. There is a reason that the only people who bring this up anymore are fans. Yeah and he played 66 games last year and he was a -8. So his plus minus for a first line defenseman is not good. Further, he depends heavily on people to make up for his wandering and defensive lapses. Buff was not a first or second line forward with Chicago and in fact made the transition to that position from defense as the season went on and notwithstanding that was quite effective. By the way he finished fifth on the team in points (his third season that is, he was fifth in points).Who knows if they would have started him in that position in 2007-08. In any event it's moot. He wants to remain on defense but they should decrease his time because it appears to be effecting his play defensively. He has become more cautious than last year though so some credit should go to him for listening to Huddy.
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Post by bruinnyandthejets on Mar 23, 2013 18:27:38 GMT -6
He had 1 good playoff run as a forward, and everyone thinks he is some kind of elite winger. The fact is that he has never had more points in a season as a forward than he has on defence. He has had 53 points twice as a dman and in one of those seasons playing only 66 games. The year the Hawks won the cup he played 82 games during the regular season and only had 34 points. Buff is currently scoring at a .7 ppg pace. Over 82 games that is a 57.7 point pace, which would be a career high, he is also currently a +2 right now, in every season but one in his NHL career he was a - player. Even in the Blackhawks cup run Buff was a -2. There is a reason that the only people who bring this up anymore are fans. You can't compare the points that he got as a forward to what he has been getting as a defenceman, so many factors to consider he was younger when he was a forward, and he was a 3rd liner / energy guy
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