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Post by Bruinsfan on Apr 25, 2015 13:29:46 GMT -6
Bettman stated yesterday that 17-15 would work for NHL scheduling and that they are ok with uneven conferences.
My question is if 17-15 works, then 17-16 seems to also work.
The NHL sees that they are a heavily east sport. Why fight it? IF you can match the other leagues out west and then address the fans wanting a team out east? 3 expansion fees for the owners.
Expansion is becoming the NHL's answer to signing a COMPLETELY AWFUL TOO LONG TOO LITTLE MONEY DEAL WITH NBC SPORTs....yes that needed to be in caps.
The NHL signed the dumbest tv deal in sports history. 10 years at low cash a few years before Fs1 launched as a main competitor to ESPN. Unbelievably stupid. A short term deal with NBC creates a true three company bidding process for a big 4 competitor.
The NHL is now being out maneuvered (not out cashed) by the MLS in US tv deals. That is pathetic. MLS keeps signing short term deals asking for more each time but slowly increasing the need for their product.
The NHL, 10 years with NBC sports which is now the odd man out in the ESPN FS1 dual.
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Post by mikecubs on Apr 25, 2015 14:51:30 GMT -6
I think Bettman is too big of a believer in symmetry to add another east team. Besides being the bush league the NHL is why would they want a market like Quebec that has rabid fans and a new downtown arena? They would make too much $$$ for the NHL's taste.
NHL would rather have suburban sunbelts like Glendale, Sunrise, transient places like Vegas that are shaky and places like Nassau with a crappy renovated arena with awful attendance histories than a place like Quebec.
If the NHL wouldn't have signed that deal with NBC they would have got a bigger deal but it still wouldn't be that great. NHL can't sell itself in a lot of southern markets and when fans from other sports who don't follow the NHL see some of the stuff that goes on in the NHL they aren't going to follow the NHL because it's just too minor league.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Apr 25, 2015 20:28:28 GMT -6
I think Bettman is too big of a believer in symmetry to add another east team. Besides being the bush league the NHL is why would they want a market like Quebec that has rabid fans and a new downtown arena? They would make too much $$$ for the NHL's taste. NHL would rather have suburban sunbelts like Glendale, Sunrise, transient places like Vegas that are shaky and places like Nassau with a crappy renovated arena with awful attendance histories than a place like Quebec. If the NHL wouldn't have signed that deal with NBC they would have got a bigger deal but it still wouldn't be that great. NHL can't sell itself in a lot of southern markets and when fans from other sports who don't follow the NHL see some of the stuff that goes on in the NHL they aren't going to follow the NHL because it's just too minor league. The nhl would have gotten a much bigger deal if they waited...muuuch bigger. It was a mistake. A fireable one for bettman imo. Im taking the 17-15 thing out of bettmans mouth who essentially stated the lack of symmetry is fine and he woud be fine with more
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 21:12:28 GMT -6
When does the deal end?
Soccer will never be popular in the United States. They have tried everything, and it has failed.
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Post by Lions67 on Apr 25, 2015 22:27:32 GMT -6
When does the deal end? Soccer will never be popular in the United States. They have tried everything, and it has failed. you havent been paying attention then. it isnt failing, its thriving.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Apr 25, 2015 22:30:23 GMT -6
When does the deal end? Soccer will never be popular in the United States. They have tried everything, and it has failed. you arent paying attention. They have a thriving professional league with a national team of professionals that are regularly beating Mexico. Soccer is absolutely thriving in the united states.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 22:30:35 GMT -6
When does the deal end? Soccer will never be popular in the United States. They have tried everything, and it has failed. you havent been paying attention then. it isnt failing, its thriving. It's happened before. IN the 70s when Pele came, soccer thrived for a few years before receding into relative obscurity. In the 90s, soccer was thriving in the early 90s until World Cup 94, then went back into relative obscurity. Experts have expected Soccer to overtake Hockey for over 40 years, and compete with the NFL, NBA, and MLB. I doubt it will ever happen.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 22:37:39 GMT -6
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Post by Bruinsfan on Apr 25, 2015 22:39:20 GMT -6
you havent been paying attention then. it isnt failing, its thriving. It's happened before. IN the 70s when Pele came, soccer thrived for a few years before receding into relative obscurity. In the 90s, soccer was thriving in the early 90s until World Cup 94, then went back into relative obscurity. Experts have expected Soccer to overtake Hockey for over 40 years, and compete with the NFL, NBA, and MLB. I doubt it will ever happen. dumb comment. sorry. in the 70s the Us couldnt even field a national team of professionals. You cant see the difference here? in 94 there wasnt a professional league...we have 20 years straight of a domestic league that has major investers signing major tv deals. Foreign soccer is getting huge ratings here. Im not trying to jump down your throat you just arent paying attention.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Apr 25, 2015 22:41:11 GMT -6
Look at MLS attendance. Look at National Team performance, Look at Professional Americans abroad. Sorry Soccer is here. You dont want to accept it. It is still in very early stages only a 20 year old league but that league s not going to fold...not for a long time. This isnt Pele and the NASL. Even comparing this to that makes you seem ignorant.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Apr 25, 2015 22:42:23 GMT -6
MLS is a thriving league, right now they are not translating to TV but local interest is there, they have a season ticket base..and their tv deals are comparable to the NHL's atrocity of a US tv deal.
Sorry but the "iv heard this since the 70s" crap doesnt fly any more.
I didnt want this thread to turn into a soccer vs NHL pissing match but ignorant comments should be addressed.
This thread is about the NHL attempting to supplement a bad tv deal with expansion
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Post by mikecubs on Apr 25, 2015 22:54:39 GMT -6
I think Bettman is too big of a believer in symmetry to add another east team. Besides being the bush league the NHL is why would they want a market like Quebec that has rabid fans and a new downtown arena? They would make too much $$$ for the NHL's taste. NHL would rather have suburban sunbelts like Glendale, Sunrise, transient places like Vegas that are shaky and places like Nassau with a crappy renovated arena with awful attendance histories than a place like Quebec. If the NHL wouldn't have signed that deal with NBC they would have got a bigger deal but it still wouldn't be that great. NHL can't sell itself in a lot of southern markets and when fans from other sports who don't follow the NHL see some of the stuff that goes on in the NHL they aren't going to follow the NHL because it's just too minor league. The nhl would have gotten a much bigger deal if they waited...muuuch bigger. It was a mistake. A fireable one for bettman imo. Im taking the 17-15 thing out of bettmans mouth who essentially stated the lack of symmetry is fine and he woud be fine with more By NHL standards yes they would have got a bigger deal. Maybe 400-500M which is a lot for the NHL but it's never going to come close to what the other sports get because 1. It's not as popular as the other 3 sports and wouldn't be if the NHL had a competent commissioner/ownership 2. It's the worst of the 4 sports to televise. It don't translate as well on tv. 3. The NHL has Gary and lots of wackey owners which makes the sport seem minor league. Could you imagine for example the Chargers and Raiders announcing they are relocating to LA for sure then in the next breath have it rumored that the Chargers are going back to San Diego because the city is prepared to do a minor renovation to Qualcomm Stadium? LOL. Then you have disasters like Glendale, Sunrise and even a worst one in 5 years with Nassau. Not only does Gary like crappy markets but he does a lot to make them even worst with suburban arenas. The NBA only has one suburban arena, MLB 3(4 if you count tampa but they want to go downtown) and they aren't all that suburban. Bettman just loves the suburbs for some odd reason. It makes it so much harder than it already is to sell hockey in the states with such incompetent leadership. Lots of Canadians don't really follow much other than hockey so they get used to this type of crap and it becomes natural so you can always sell the game to them but with US fans who follow other sports it makes it so much harder because when they see this stuff you can't help but think this is a joke. This is minor league. As far as Bettman saying 17-15 is ok he always goes back and forth because he is a flake. Whatever is the worst option he will pick unless he's forced into the right decision. The owners won't be smart enough to fire Gary. Most of them are pleased as punch to get badly crushed by the NFL, MLB and NHL. Look at his track record. 1. Signed a crap TV deal 2. Let the Coyotes build a suburban area that killed any chance to grow the game in a fast growing market and was too stupid to push for a buyout and relocation to Quebec and start over in Phoenix someday downtown. Only reason the team exists is because of 4 idiot city councilors. This makes the league seem like the total joke that it is. 3. Let the Panthers build a suburban arena next to the everglades killing any chance to grow the game downtown with minorities. Where the Panthers are they will only draw suburban whites which means they will never have enough fans. 4. Failed to push for the Islanders to move to Barclays sooner so it wouldn't be a horseshoe arena. 5. Let the Islanders go back to Nassau to a crappy renovated arena(Lip stick on a pig). Suburbs don't work. There is no mass transit to the arena. Too far to go for New York corporations. The Islanders attendance history in Nassau is frightening. Unless the team is totally awesome they may not draw in Brooklyn. Why would someone in Brooklyn invest their time/money/emotion if they might go back to Nassau? 6. Couldn't get Quebec City a team for year 1 in a new arena and probably will reject them long term. 7. To my knowledge he's done nothing to help Canadian minorities play/afford the game of hockey. White Canadians will decrease by 1/3rd every generation. Does Bettman realize this and realize how hard the NBA is pushing in Canada? Does he not realize China/Phillipines are Canada's top 2 sending immigration countries and love basketball? Does it worry him at all to see how the minorities are in Jerasic Park screaming and yelling for the Raptors during the playoffs and know these people are the future of Canada demographically not white people? 8. Let people like John Spanos buy a team. LOL These things don't happen in the other sports. 9. Let Anthony Leblac buy a team. LOL What do you think the odds would be of the likes of Anthony Leblanc buying a team in one of the other sports? 10. Won't play hardball with Calgary. He should give a deadline for a new arena just like the NFL is with ST. Louis/Oakland/San Diego. Or with how the NBA is with Milwaukee. Instead just vague comments like the Saddledome is bad! A real commissioner would say you have 2 years to approve an arena, if you don't we relocate to Quebec. The city will balk because they know Bettman is toothless and isn't to be taken seriously. 10-15 years from now the Flames will still be in the Saddledome. LOL
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Post by mikecubs on Apr 25, 2015 22:58:22 GMT -6
you havent been paying attention then. it isnt failing, its thriving. It's happened before. IN the 70s when Pele came, soccer thrived for a few years before receding into relative obscurity. In the 90s, soccer was thriving in the early 90s until World Cup 94, then went back into relative obscurity. Experts have expected Soccer to overtake Hockey for over 40 years, and compete with the NFL, NBA, and MLB. I doubt it will ever happen. It will be tough for soccer to come close to the big 3 since you do have to compete with Europe but you can't possible compare current MLS to the past. We have a lot more immigrants(both Canada and the US) and many more coming from soccer loving countries. By the way I hate soccer and hope it fails but I just don't see it. Immigration trends are favoring soccer. Only hope is it gets rejected because we can't hold a candle to Europe and is seen as minor league. Or Gary Bettman takes it over
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 22:59:59 GMT -6
Look at MLS attendance. Look at National Team performance, Look at Professional Americans abroad. Sorry Soccer is here. You dont want to accept it. It is still in very early stages only a 20 year old league but that league s not going to fold...not for a long time. This isnt Pele and the NASL. Even comparing this to that makes you seem ignorant. Soccer has always been here. It's been here for over a century. It's always been more popular in Canada than the US. As far as national team performance goes, they have yet to do anything significant Internationally. The Americans actually fared better in soccer in the 1930s than today. It may not be Pele and the NASL, but they tried Beckham in the MLS a few years ago, so there are definite similarities. Having said that, I'm not going to debate with you if you are going to hurl insults at me, like being "ignorant" for disagreeing with you.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Apr 25, 2015 23:00:54 GMT -6
yea but imo they are going to want to expand to make up for the TV deal...its an easy move.
Expand to Vegas because Gary loves the desert and hockey...he wont get 500mil but he could get 400 with 100 mil loan from the nhl paid back in rev sharing.
Expand to quebec because quite frankly Seattle has no fn interest in the NHL no matter what they say. Quebec is an easy 500mil for the league.
Then when seattle eventually plays ball expand to 34 when glendale decides to end public water to pay for the coyotes.
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