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Post by USApegger on Sept 27, 2017 18:40:46 GMT -6
I remember when the Blue Jays were in the playoffs and the Americans flew the Canadian Flag upside down and Canadians lost their minds about disrespect to the flag
Just saying
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Post by Grumpz on Sept 27, 2017 19:32:27 GMT -6
I remember when the Blue Jays were in the playoffs and the Americans flew the Canadian Flag upside down and Canadians lost their minds about disrespect to the flag Just saying Imagine if the Jays did that in the world series? Oh my.
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Post by Tommy on Sept 27, 2017 19:40:00 GMT -6
Besides respect for the flag and anthem, there has to be respect for the police. In all the recent cases of killing of unarmed men, they initially chose not to follow police commands. Some of these progressed and resulted in criminal acts by police. But had they immediately followed police orders all would have survived. That is a slippery argument. talk to anyone of colour in the States and they will tell you what it is like to be profiled by the cops. They are people too with their own thoughts, ideas and experiences and if it wasn't for the issues that African Americans are having with police brutality Mr. Capernick would not have felt the need to 'sit' for the anthem and then be convinced (by a fellow teammate and former Navy Seal) that 'sitting' was disrespectful but kneeling would not be. I firmly believe Trump should have stayed out of this and let the league deal with it. I don't recall what Obama's take was on this situation but then again he was on the other extreme of Trump and played to those who buttered his political bread. trump may be new to politics but he knows where his support is and this was not done to resolve the issue that has caused the PEACEFUL protest but rather to stir up his supporters and keep them pacified while he flip flops on certain promises he made to them. Unfortunately, he stirs the pot and leaves some of us with 'water cooler talk' and is setting Civil rights back decades because those who are racist, anti-Semitic, homophobic and misogynistic feel that if the President can be so blunt and reckless with his words then they can also follow suit. The reason for profiling is because their the ones doing the crimes in high crime districts.
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Post by USApegger on Sept 28, 2017 6:36:57 GMT -6
I remember when the Blue Jays were in the playoffs and the Americans flew the Canadian Flag upside down and Canadians lost their minds about disrespect to the flag Just saying Imagine if the Jays did that in the world series? Oh my. My point is people get very upset when their flag is disrespected, which is why so many are upset with the NFL action during the anthem (yes I know they aren't protesting the flag (blah blah blah)
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Post by USApegger on Sept 28, 2017 6:37:30 GMT -6
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Post by lovethejets on Sept 28, 2017 7:45:44 GMT -6
I will not debate racism with you...there is no place for it and you quoting statistics does not drive that home any more. Racism is wrong and it should not exist. You miss the simple logic of protesting. Remember Tienanmen Square back in 1989? Protesting was not legal and people died. That is not the case in the US. It is not the case because we live in a democratic society. We live in a Democratic society because we fought hard for it and many people lost their lives. The flag stands for that symbol of freedom and people fought and died for the flag. The flag and the anthem are inextricably linked. That is why large flags fly when the anthem is performed. Listen to the Star Bangled Banner words - "yet our flag was still there". Kneeling during an anthem is therefore hypocritical. They, therefore, have no right to protest using the anthem. They can protest any other time and any other way within the confines of the law. Actually, not being allowed or ridiculed or verbally assaulted for kneeling, is hypocritical. Wars were fought to remain a democracy, and I'd say, a more civil society. That is exactly WHY people should be allowed to protest in this manner. Wrong...why did you ignore the first part?...democracy and freedom are synonymous with each other...you protest in China and die...you are allowed and welcomed to protest (or kneel or whatever the hell you want to do) in the US at any time, just not during the anthem, which is symbolic for you having that right...THAT is hypocrisy at its height
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Post by lovethejets on Sept 28, 2017 7:52:28 GMT -6
Imagine if the Jays did that in the world series? Oh my. My point is people get very upset when their flag is disrespected, which is why so many are upset with the NFL action during the anthem (yes I know they aren't protesting the flag (blah blah blah) yes that is the correct point...how could anyone not have understood that? the flag and anthem are sacred and should not be disrespected...
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Post by lovethejets on Sept 28, 2017 7:55:03 GMT -6
leave it to a sensible Canadian to be the voice of logic...he gets it...protest all you want, just not during the anthem...way to go PK
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Post by Grumpz on Sept 28, 2017 8:44:11 GMT -6
Imagine if the Jays did that in the world series? Oh my. My point is people get very upset when their flag is disrespected, which is why so many are upset with the NFL action during the anthem (yes I know they aren't protesting the flag (blah blah blah) My point is people get very upset when their flag is disrespected, which is why so many are upset with the NFL action during the anthem (yes I know they aren't protesting the flag (blah blah blah) yes that is the correct point...how could anyone not have understood that? the flag and anthem are sacred and should not be disrespected... Well then, for something as seen as so absolutely sacred and untouchable, how could they possibly allow the Canadian flag to the paraded around, upside down. You'd figure they treat a neighbouring countires flag with the same amount of respect at their own... It's just a flag, but expect both of you to stand at attention with your hats off, when you watch every single sporting event that has an anthem, while in your garage, or house, and if you hear it on the radio, you better be pulling over.
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Post by Grumpz on Sept 28, 2017 9:04:31 GMT -6
Actually, not being allowed or ridiculed or verbally assaulted for kneeling, is hypocritical. Wars were fought to remain a democracy, and I'd say, a more civil society. That is exactly WHY people should be allowed to protest in this manner. Wrong...why did you ignore the first part?...democracy and freedom are synonymous with each other...you protest in China and die...you are allowed and welcomed to protest (or kneel or whatever the hell you want to do) in the US at any time, just not during the anthem, which is symbolic for you having that right...THAT is hypocrisy at its height Tell that to 60 yr old retired WHITE vets tweeting things like, "I fought for this country for 40yrs, so we could damn well do things like this. I'll take a blank ing knee if I want." What I'm not understanding, is why you think their is a wrong and right. There are people of various races supporting this. The most successful pro sports league on the planet is allowing teams to stay in locker rooms, players to kneel and owners, coaches and players to lock arms in unity. Other leagues like the NHL have stated they support players who peacefully protest. Cleary there are two sides, with vocal supporters on each. We disagree with opposing sides, but I'm not sure how those protesting or those in support can be viewed as wrong.
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Post by loogs on Sept 28, 2017 10:00:18 GMT -6
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Post by phillymike on Sept 29, 2017 6:37:19 GMT -6
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Post by USApegger on Sept 29, 2017 7:58:53 GMT -6
^ Ridiculous article. Listening to Westwood all week to has been horrible. He thinks Crosby should take a stand and that the Penguins should not be going to the white house. Just wish he would shut up. He is clueless
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Post by lovethejets on Sept 30, 2017 17:05:01 GMT -6
^ Ridiculous article. Listening to Westwood all week to has been horrible. He thinks Crosby should take a stand and that the Penguins should not be going to the white house. Just wish he would shut up. He is clueless westwood is as dumb as they come...no hockey knowledge and an opinionated moron...bad combination
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Post by lovethejets on Sept 30, 2017 17:06:46 GMT -6
My point is people get very upset when their flag is disrespected, which is why so many are upset with the NFL action during the anthem (yes I know they aren't protesting the flag (blah blah blah) yes that is the correct point...how could anyone not have understood that? the flag and anthem are sacred and should not be disrespected... Well then, for something as seen as so absolutely sacred and untouchable, how could they possibly allow the Canadian flag to the paraded around, upside down. You'd figure they treat a neighbouring countires flag with the same amount of respect at their own... It's just a flag, but expect both of you to stand at attention with your hats off, when you watch every single sporting event that has an anthem, while in your garage, or house, and if you hear it on the radio, you better be pulling over. Oh come on...like i am going to pull over...the point is that i am NOT knowingly of my own volition disrespecting the flag...there is a difference
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