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Post by Tommy on Sept 25, 2017 19:28:07 GMT -6
Blake Wheeler thinks players should be allowed to express their views, probably so. But when POTUS (or any conservative) represents their opinion it's racist!
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Post by sportmentary2012 on Sept 25, 2017 19:43:59 GMT -6
I'm sure you can acknowledge that by commenting on this issue POTUS aka Dotard stepped into an issue that is based on social injustice brought on by racism He could have said he understood the protests but wished they would do it in another manner and by they it is 99% African American players who were kneeling. He also called them SOB's! I'm proud that Wheeler stood up for his beliefs as this topic transcends sports, This Dotard is either way to much of a narcissist to see both sides of the issue or a racist or both. There is no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt here and he brought politics into sports not the other way around!
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Post by Tommy on Sept 25, 2017 20:10:30 GMT -6
POTUS has a duty to command respect for their flag and anthem, or else where does this end? The language wasn't good!
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Post by lenny on Sept 25, 2017 20:15:17 GMT -6
I agree with President Trump 100% on this. The players should respect the flag, the anthem, shut up and play football. If the players have the 'right' the NFL/owners who are for the most part gutless have the right to order the players to behave commensurate with the people who pay for their damn lifestyle.
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Post by pokeybandit on Sept 25, 2017 20:19:06 GMT -6
Our world has gotten ridiculous on so many levels. So glad I grew up without cell phones and social media bs. I worry for my young children.
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Post by sportmentary2012 on Sept 25, 2017 20:45:51 GMT -6
Cmon you can't seriously fall for the red herring that is the 'flag' It isn't about the flag !! It is ridiculous thT they play the anthems in the first place specifically at hockey games where many players are not from North America. Rather than finding solutions this guy is dividing people even further.
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Post by lenny on Sept 25, 2017 20:58:08 GMT -6
For American citizens it is very much about their flag, anthem and country.
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Post by USApegger on Sept 26, 2017 4:38:02 GMT -6
Cmon you can't seriously fall for the red herring that is the 'flag' It isn't about the flag !! It is ridiculous thT they play the anthems in the first place specifically at hockey games where many players are not from North America. Rather than finding solutions this guy is dividing people even further. Are you an American? I am a dual citizen, I grew up in suburbs of Chicago, you have no idea of what you are talking about. Respect of the flag, the anthem, history everything is taught to you almost as soon as you start elementary school. Lenny's picture pretty much says it all. In middle America, they (majority) are incredibly patriotic, and it bothers them deeply that the players kneel while the anthem is played. They find it disrespectful. What bothers me about this mess is that last year Kapernick had availability of the media to get his message out there, he could have used his soapbox to encourage people to get out and vote and to vote for Hillary. But he didn't, in fact he didn't even bother to vote himself. As for him losing his job because of his "protest" it was kapernick who took the option in his contract to leave the 49er's The49ers did not cut him. Trump like any politician plays to his base, except Trump has no filter whatsoever. I have no problem with them playing the anthems before sporting events, its a tradition.if the players can't be bothered to stand for it, then they should stay in the locker room until the anthems are over. I could not imagine a Blackhawks game without the anthem
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Post by hillman on Sept 26, 2017 5:33:17 GMT -6
So you can beat the crap out of your wife in an elevator and just get suspended a few games.You can rape two under age girls and just get it swept under the rug.But you can't make a peaceful protest aimed at racial inequality (nothing to do with the military).If you want to talk respect then perhaps the president should learn to treat his office and position with respect.Calling a bunch of football players SOBS in public is way beneath the office he holds.
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Post by Grumpz on Sept 26, 2017 7:32:46 GMT -6
If Iived in a country that either condoned or turned a blind eye to racism, you damn well bet I'd do whatever protest if it could somehow get a message across.
African Americans are being killed by white cops for minding there own business. No weapons present, just harsh language. Nothing more disrespectful than that.
This has nothing to do with the flag, and everything to do with Racism. Trump hasn"t once directed a tweet at the gutless coward who plowed through that group of protestors, but he goes off a few guys taking a knee?
blank him, blank the flag and blank racism.
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Post by USApegger on Sept 26, 2017 8:03:10 GMT -6
If Iived in a country that either condoned or turned a blind eye to racism, you damn well bet I'd do whatever protest if it could somehow get a message across. African Americans are being killed by white cops for minding there own business. No weapons present, just harsh language. Nothing more disrespectful than that. This has nothing to do with the flag, and everything to do with Racism. Trump hasn"t once directed a tweet at the gutless coward who plowed through that group of protestors, but he goes off a few guys taking a knee? blank him, blank the flag and blank racism. So what are you doing for the indigenous in Canada?
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Post by lovethejets on Sept 26, 2017 8:32:35 GMT -6
The first amendment exists because of democratic freedoms which many people lost their lives fighting behind a flag for...anthems and flags are inextricably linked and when you kneel during an anthem you are also disrespecting the flag.
There are a number of ways to protest, especially now with social media, and if you want to use your celebrity status to raise awareness to an issue, by all means do it. However, the time when an anthem is played is simply not the right time to do it. You cannot disregard the very symbol that has given you the right to express that opinion in the first place.
It doesn't matter why the anthem is playing - at a sporting event or at a school, when it plays, it stands for the flag and freedoms that you have so show some respect for and protest at another time and in another way.
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Post by lenny on Sept 26, 2017 8:34:35 GMT -6
If Iived in a country that either condoned or turned a blind eye to racism, you damn well bet I'd do whatever protest if it could somehow get a message across. African Americans are being killed by white cops for minding there own business. No weapons present, just harsh language. Nothing more disrespectful than that. This has nothing to do with the flag, and everything to do with Racism. Trump hasn"t once directed a tweet at the gutless coward who plowed through that group of protestors, but he goes off a few guys taking a knee? blank him, blank the flag and blank racism. Blame it on the racist cops right! Whites are 62% of the population and blacks 13% in the USA. Half of the police killings are white and a quarter are black but when you factor in that blacks commit proportionately far more of the crime, one study on felonies - 330 per 100,000 for whites and 1,178 per 100,000 for blacks it is not surprising. Victimology is a popular thing but when you keep using it as a crutch and especially when it's animated by a bunch of millionaire spoiled athletes then it stinks.
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Post by Grumpz on Sept 26, 2017 9:12:10 GMT -6
If Iived in a country that either condoned or turned a blind eye to racism, you damn well bet I'd do whatever protest if it could somehow get a message across. African Americans are being killed by white cops for minding there own business. No weapons present, just harsh language. Nothing more disrespectful than that. This has nothing to do with the flag, and everything to do with Racism. Trump hasn"t once directed a tweet at the gutless coward who plowed through that group of protestors, but he goes off a few guys taking a knee? blank him, blank the flag and blank racism. So what are you doing for the indigenous in Canada? Per this situation, the minute white cops start mowing down indigenous people minding there own business, and getting away with it, if I had a forum like people following me because I'm a pro athlete, you'd better bet I take a stance like Wheeler, or a knee like Kap. What the NFL is doing is fantastic.
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Post by Grumpz on Sept 26, 2017 9:16:11 GMT -6
If Iived in a country that either condoned or turned a blind eye to racism, you damn well bet I'd do whatever protest if it could somehow get a message across. African Americans are being killed by white cops for minding there own business. No weapons present, just harsh language. Nothing more disrespectful than that. This has nothing to do with the flag, and everything to do with Racism. Trump hasn"t once directed a tweet at the gutless coward who plowed through that group of protestors, but he goes off a few guys taking a knee? blank him, blank the flag and blank racism. Blame it on the racist cops right! Whites are 62% of the population and blacks 13% in the USA. Half of the police killings are white and a quarter are black but when you factor in that blacks commit proportionately far more of the crime, one study on felonies - 330 per 100,000 for whites and 1,178 per 100,000 for blacks it is not surprising. Victimology is a popular thing but when you keep using it as a crutch and especially when it's animated by a bunch of millionaire spoiled athletes then it stinks. Nothing to do with numbers or ratios. When I hear about a black waving a gun around high as hell, and he gets killed, no argument. When I see footage, and we all have, of an 18 yr old kid getting 6 in the chest, with both hands exposed, and the cop away with it. Totally different. Then of course you've got Rodney. Just came across this tweet. Wow.
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