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Post by Ric O. on Oct 15, 2020 17:13:59 GMT -6
But Pierre LeBrun reporting that although Laine has not demanded a trade and is not threatening to sit out, his agent Mike Liut says Laine's aware the Jets have been trying to move him, and the circus surrounding his usage and very limited top line time since he's been a Jet, he thinks it's best to play somewhere else. Let's call it a soft trade request for now.
The Jets are the most dependent team in the league on drafting good players and giving them every opportunity to succeed and be happy; good luck replacing players like this on the trade or UFA market. Maurice is a one man wrecking crew...imo. Who was the last team that never won a blessed thing to raise a banner with the coach's name to the rafters? Jets will probably be the next to do it, maybe in about 15 years if we're lucky.
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Post by Ric O. on Oct 15, 2020 23:14:11 GMT -6
I saw Niku make awful decisions in his own zone.I can understand if PM has him in the doghouse. Can he get better ? Who knows. There is potential there but potential doesn't always mean results. There have been questions about Niku's commitment...rumours like heard again today on 1290 that he's first guy off the ice after practice, basically putting in the minimum effort. This one I can't assign any blame to the coach. Niku is not exactly a spring chicken anymore and like you say, he hasn't been good especially in his own end. He probably hasn't earned much slack from the organization.
I can't remember who said it, Button or someone of that ilk, that there would be little interest in him around the league, so his reputation must not be good. Too bad, yeah, hate to see a player not succeed because he didn't try hard enough to reach his potential especially if he appears to have a lot of it.
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Post by Tim on Oct 16, 2020 5:44:44 GMT -6
I saw Niku make awful decisions in his own zone.I can understand if PM has him in the doghouse. Can he get better ? Who knows. There is potential there but potential doesn't always mean results. There have been questions about Niku's commitment...rumours like heard again today on 1290 that he's first guy off the ice after practice, basically putting in the minimum effort. This one I can't assign any blame to the coach. Niku is not exactly a spring chicken anymore and like you say, he hasn't been good especially in his own end. He probably hasn't earned much slack from the organization.
I can't remember who said it, Button or someone of that ilk, that there would be little interest in him around the league, so his reputation must not be good. Too bad, yeah, hate to see a player not succeed because he didn't try hard enough to reach his potential especially if he appears to a lot of it. Funny you just describe Buff, he "didn't try hard enough to reach his potential" just imagine if did put in the effort others did. My buddy who knows him said it best "Buff would rather crush a beer and play a game of shinny then play in the NHL" what a shame.
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Post by lenny on Oct 16, 2020 8:40:31 GMT -6
This is something we speculated about the last few years. I certainly was constantly yapping about Laine's treatment by Maurice and to the extent he helped in that, Chevy, in the suppression of Laine's talent which really started his first year here. The line of Sheif, Ehlers and Laine. Very successful but Maurice broke the line apart in March roughly of Laine's first year. Wheeler was given the first line status on the right side with Laine's spot duties there and with an incoherent and largely unworkable center of Little at center paired with him and whoever else on the left side.Usually Ehlers.
It was clear his last ELC year Laine rebelled and pouted about this. The Jets were able to use this to get a relatively modest contract out of it. But it was also clear Laine wasn't happy and so the chickens have now come home to roost.
Now, despite Stastny coming here Laine will remain on the second line. The Jets gambled and put their future in Wheeler on the right side. Laine wants out and that explicitly is now stated by his two agents. But this was clearly evident at the end of his ELC year. The Jets screwed the second highest pick in the draft in favour of making Wheels and Scheif happy. I wonder if the Jets in the next decade will get such a high draft again and if so that draftee's cynicism about coming and staying here given Laine's treatment?
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Post by Tracker on Oct 16, 2020 9:15:10 GMT -6
This is something we speculated about the last few years. I certainly was constantly yapping about Laine's treatment by Maurice and to the extent he helped in that, Chevy, in the suppression of Laine's talent which really started his first year here. The line of Sheif, Ehlers and Laine. Very successful but Maurice broke the line apart in March roughly of Laine's first year. Wheeler was given the first line status on the right side with Laine's spot duties there and with an incoherent and largely unworkable center of Little at center paired with him and whoever else on the left side.Usually Ehlers. It was clear his last ELC year Laine rebelled and pouted about this. The Jets were able to use this to get a relatively modest contract out of it. But it was also clear Laine wasn't happy and so the chickens have now come home to roost. Now, despite Stastny coming here Laine will remain on the second line. The Jets gambled and put their future in Wheeler on the right side. Laine wants out and that explicitly is now stated by his two agents. But this was clearly evident at the end of his ELC year. The Jets screwed the second highest pick in the draft in favour of making Wheels and Scheif happy. I wonder if the Jets in the next decade will get such a high draft again and if so that draftee's cynicism about coming and staying here given Laine's treatment? On 1290 radio today, they analyzed Laine's "mistreatment" by Maurice and the stats revealed that he actually had more ice time with the top line than Wheeler. The consensus was that, although Laine has not come out and said it, he is not happy with the Jets. The question was posed: if Laine is going to price himself out of the Jets' future in a couple of years and at that point the Jets' leverage in trading him would be a lot less, so, if Chevy can get good value for a potential superstar, then may its time to move him.
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Post by Tim on Oct 16, 2020 9:59:07 GMT -6
This is something we speculated about the last few years. I certainly was constantly yapping about Laine's treatment by Maurice and to the extent he helped in that, Chevy, in the suppression of Laine's talent which really started his first year here. The line of Sheif, Ehlers and Laine. Very successful but Maurice broke the line apart in March roughly of Laine's first year. Wheeler was given the first line status on the right side with Laine's spot duties there and with an incoherent and largely unworkable center of Little at center paired with him and whoever else on the left side.Usually Ehlers. It was clear his last ELC year Laine rebelled and pouted about this. The Jets were able to use this to get a relatively modest contract out of it. But it was also clear Laine wasn't happy and so the chickens have now come home to roost. Now, despite Stastny coming here Laine will remain on the second line. The Jets gambled and put their future in Wheeler on the right side. Laine wants out and that explicitly is now stated by his two agents. But this was clearly evident at the end of his ELC year. The Jets screwed the second highest pick in the draft in favour of making Wheels and Scheif happy. I wonder if the Jets in the next decade will get such a high draft again and if so that draftee's cynicism about coming and staying here given Laine's treatment? On 1290 radio today, they analyzed Laine's "mistreatment" by Maurice and the stats revealed that he actually had more ice time with the top line than Wheeler. The consensus was that, although Laine has not come out and said it, he is not happy with the Jets. The question was posed: if Laine is going to price himself out of the Jets' future in a couple of years and at that point the Jets' leverage in trading him would be a lot less, so, if Chevy can get good value for a potential superstar, then may its time to move him. Yes Chevy made that mistake with Trouba, if we would have dealt him a year or two earlier we would have gotten a lot more for him. When they had the line of Sheif, Ehlers and Laine together that was the hottest line in the NHL at that time, changing that was a mistake, changing that has put us in this position!
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Post by Ric O. on Oct 16, 2020 10:19:51 GMT -6
I think Laine had more time on the top line than Wheeler because Wheeler was playing 2nd line center in the absence of Little for most of the year. I don't think Wheeler played even a minute of second line winger after Little got injured a few games in, so it's not like the two actually switched positions all year. And predictably the Laine/Scheif experiment didn't go the full season or close to it from my recollection...mind you this past season seems like eons ago already.
Not only that, as compared to Laine's early rookie year where he was a shooting machine, his role has now changed, trained to be the defensively responsible playmaker, basically be a version of the less talented Wheeler if he's ever going to take his place with Scheif (whose defensive laziness along with Connor's get a pass). Yes I know, all players also need to look after their own end, but center should lead the way.
All in all, in my opinion, the chemistry that I remember from the first season between Scheif/Laine/Ehlers didn't seem to be there anymore. I think the main reason, Laine doesn't have the same offensive cockiness he had as a rookie, which imo was a GREAT thing to have even if it rubbed Maurice and Wheeler the wrong way. Most of the reason for that I believe is because as Lenny said, rightly or wrongly, he's checked out of the Jets organization long ago, the ruffled feathers, based on his perception that they're holding him back...offensively and financially. If that's what he's thinking, would he be wrong?
I was really hoping the re-acquisition of Stastny would get Laine a bit excited about being a Jet again but it seems like maybe too much there to overcome now...the personalities involved are all still here. It's a sad situation that was totally foreseeable, as evidenced by the fact that it was foreseen by some.
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Post by lenny on Oct 16, 2020 10:40:20 GMT -6
This is something we speculated about the last few years. I certainly was constantly yapping about Laine's treatment by Maurice and to the extent he helped in that, Chevy, in the suppression of Laine's talent which really started his first year here. The line of Sheif, Ehlers and Laine. Very successful but Maurice broke the line apart in March roughly of Laine's first year. Wheeler was given the first line status on the right side with Laine's spot duties there and with an incoherent and largely unworkable center of Little at center paired with him and whoever else on the left side.Usually Ehlers. It was clear his last ELC year Laine rebelled and pouted about this. The Jets were able to use this to get a relatively modest contract out of it. But it was also clear Laine wasn't happy and so the chickens have now come home to roost. Now, despite Stastny coming here Laine will remain on the second line. The Jets gambled and put their future in Wheeler on the right side. Laine wants out and that explicitly is now stated by his two agents. But this was clearly evident at the end of his ELC year. The Jets screwed the second highest pick in the draft in favour of making Wheels and Scheif happy. I wonder if the Jets in the next decade will get such a high draft again and if so that draftee's cynicism about coming and staying here given Laine's treatment? On 1290 radio today, they analyzed Laine's "mistreatment" by Maurice and the stats revealed that he actually had more ice time with the top line than Wheeler. The consensus was that, although Laine has not come out and said it, he is not happy with the Jets. The question was posed: if Laine is going to price himself out of the Jets' future in a couple of years and at that point the Jets' leverage in trading him would be a lot less, so, if Chevy can get good value for a potential superstar, then may its time to move him. Lol.Yes of course because to the extent he had first line status, then lost it, then filled in when Scheif was injured on the first with Wheels at center for example, or interspersed with him on the LEFT WING with Sheif while Wheels occupied the right, this is understandable...and misleading. Scheif is the first line center period. He has been relegated to a secondary use status with him and the point of TSN is therefore missed.
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Post by ekjet72 on Oct 16, 2020 16:14:18 GMT -6
Ahh the frailties of the human psyche! Combine that with a salary cap and you've got a never ending tale of intrigue resembling that of a soap opera. If we were the only team so affected I would be despondant but almost every team has some sort of dysfunction....imagine the Senators situation.
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Post by Tracker on Oct 20, 2020 20:17:22 GMT -6
WINNIPEG - The Winnipeg Jets announced today they have agreed to terms with forward Dominic Toninato on a one-year, two-way contract with an average annual value in the NHL of $700,000.
Toninato, 26, played 46 games for the Florida Panthers last season and recorded 11 points (4G, 7A) and 37 penalty minutes and he also skated in three playoff games for the Panthers. He also played 15 games for the AHL's Springfield Thunderbirds and had eight points (5G, 3A) and 18 PIMs in 15 games. Toninato played four years for his hometown University of Minnesota-Duluth before making his professional debut in 2017-18 with the Colorado Avalanche organization and he played 39 games over two years with the Avalanche and recorded three points (1G, 2A) and 12 PIMs.
Toninato was originally drafted by the Toronto Maple Leafs in the fifth round (126th overall) in the 2012 NHL Draft.
Dominic Toninato Centre Born Mar 9 1994 -- Duluth, MN |Height 6.02 -- Weight 191 -- Shoots L
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Post by ekjet72 on Oct 20, 2020 22:13:21 GMT -6
WINNIPEG - The Winnipeg Jets announced today they have agreed to terms with forward Dominic Toninato on a one-year, two-way contract with an average annual value in the NHL of $700,000. Toninato, 26, played 46 games for the Florida Panthers last season and recorded 11 points (4G, 7A) and 37 penalty minutes and he also skated in three playoff games for the Panthers. He also played 15 games for the AHL's Springfield Thunderbirds and had eight points (5G, 3A) and 18 PIMs in 15 games. Toninato played four years for his hometown University of Minnesota-Duluth before making his professional debut in 2017-18 with the Colorado Avalanche organization and he played 39 games over two years with the Avalanche and recorded three points (1G, 2A) and 12 PIMs. Toninato was originally drafted by the Toronto Maple Leafs in the fifth round (126th overall) in the 2012 NHL Draft. Dominic Toninato Centre Born Mar 9 1994 -- Duluth, MN |Height 6.02 -- Weight 191 -- Shoots L Whats in Duluth's water? Is that 5 Jets from there and all of the same age? Maybe there will be a Duluth MN Superior WI split in the dressing room? That said, he sounds like a good 2 way acquisition for the Jets and Moose.
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Post by shakinallover on Oct 20, 2020 23:26:35 GMT -6
While not on the scale of Evander Kane Laine has at times shown he is more concerned with his own performance than that of the team's. Roslovic shows some of those tendencies as well. My understanding of the culture they're trying to build here has very little room for that. Players are given every opportunity to "buy in" and if they fail to do so then the team will outweigh the individual. However if a player reaches UFA and another team waves millions at them that loyalty fades quickly as we experienced a couple seasons ago. Better to get something for Laine now than much less later.
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Post by Tim on Oct 21, 2020 5:48:27 GMT -6
Jansen Harkins is the one guy we need to sign, I think he may be a sleeper!
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Post by Tracker on Oct 21, 2020 8:08:02 GMT -6
While not on the scale of Evander Kane Laine has at times shown he is more concerned with his own performance than that of the team's. Roslovic shows some of those tendencies as well. My understanding of the culture they're trying to build here has very little room for that. Players are given every opportunity to "buy in" and if they fail to do so then the team will outweigh the individual. However if a player reaches UFA and another team waves millions at them that loyalty fades quickly as we experienced a couple seasons ago. Better to get something for Laine now than much less later. On NHL radio a couple of days ago, Roslovic's name came up in a discussion of potential trades. The hosts opined that he was definitely a goner and because he was on the outs with Maurice. Apparently, Roslovic is a streaky scorer, but what annoyed Maurice was that Roslovic is apt to pout when his game is off and will float the rest of the game, maybe even the game after that as well. If true, this is not going to make him as sought-after player and reduce his trade value.
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Post by ekjet72 on Oct 21, 2020 16:56:05 GMT -6
Jansen Harkins is the one guy we need to sign, I think he may be a sleeper! I agree wholeheartedly but this GM business is voodoo to me at times. If building a stay and be part of the team is a culture you want, why wouldn't you look to be interested in a guy like Hamonic?
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