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Post by bigoljetairliner on May 23, 2023 20:43:54 GMT -6
The comparison would be Gawanke and Heinola as both are offensive dmen. However Heinola was a dd plus player this year where Gawanke was a single digit minus player. Gawanke was the better goal scorer where Heinola was a very good puck distributor as proportionately higher assists. Gawanke is slightly bigger at 6'01 where Heinola is 5'11. If I had to choose between the two for the bump up it would be Heinola. Gawanke's exasperation may be reflective of a deeper malaise on the draft and develop notion amongst the Moose. However, it's time the Jets get big on d and neither provide the physicality. But I do say the three Jets, Schmidt, Pionk, DeMelo need to be traded for size. The Jets will have to emphasize size and grit given the potential loss of goal scoring if Chevy can do his job. It will be interesting to see what happens with Heinola. From what I saw, he took to heart the Jets telling him he had to work on his defense to make the NHL and sacrificed a bit of offense this season in the AHL to do just that. I'm still not sure that I want him on the Jets or to be traded, as a left side of Morrissey, Samberg, & Heinola doesn't seem great unless we drastically improve the right side. Either Ville gets a shot here or they have to move him. The biggest bonus Gawanke had going for him was that he was a RHD and had less competition to beat. Not sure that the Jets will move all the RHD like you suggest above, but something has to be done to stiffen up that side.
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Post by shakinallover on May 24, 2023 0:01:02 GMT -6
I've watched a few IIHF Championship games with Leon playing for Germany. He's not lighting up the scoreboard but is playing a solid defensive game. Uses his size well and clears it out of his zone effectively. Definately an asset for his team. His AHL stats show a huge jump in points this last year. Late bloomer. I agree with him that he deserved a look see with the Jets. My opinion is he was at least a step up from Schmidt or Demelo. His size is an advantage over Heinola.
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Post by Tracker on May 24, 2023 9:44:12 GMT -6
The comparison would be Gawanke and Heinola as both are offensive dmen. However Heinola was a dd plus player this year where Gawanke was a single digit minus player. Gawanke was the better goal scorer where Heinola was a very good puck distributor as proportionately higher assists. Gawanke is slightly bigger at 6'01 where Heinola is 5'11. If I had to choose between the two for the bump up it would be Heinola. Gawanke's exasperation may be reflective of a deeper malaise on the draft and develop notion amongst the Moose. However, it's time the Jets get big on d and neither provide the physicality. But I do say the three Jets, Schmidt, Pionk, DeMelo need to be traded for size. The Jets will have to emphasize size and grit given the potential loss of goal scoring if Chevy can do his job. It will be interesting to see what happens with Heinola. From what I saw, he took to heart the Jets telling him he had to work on his defense to make the NHL and sacrificed a bit of offense this season in the AHL to do just that. I'm still not sure that I want him on the Jets or to be traded, as a left side of Morrissey, Samberg, & Heinola doesn't seem great unless we drastically improve the right side. Either Ville gets a shot here or they have to move him. The biggest bonus Gawanke had going for him was that he was a RHD and had less competition to beat. Not sure that the Jets will move all the RHD like you suggest above, but something has to be done to stiffen up that side. The successes of the Panthers, Hurricanes and Knights underscores the fact that, in crunch time, if you do not have a very strong team defence, you have nothing. Cheveldayoff has grossly underestimated the importance of this.
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Post by ddanger on May 25, 2023 16:05:32 GMT -6
We've been saying for 2 seasons now that we gotta make some moves on D. Sure hope we aren't flogging this topic come the fall. Stanley hasn't been mentioned lately, but he's gotta go as well. Anyway I hope we have some changes to discuss after the draft.
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Post by 2b9 on May 25, 2023 16:34:47 GMT -6
We've been saying for 2 seasons now that we gotta make some moves on D. Sure hope we aren't flogging this topic come the fall. Stanley hasn't been mentioned lately, but he's gotta go as well. Anyway I hope we have some changes to discuss after the draft. I hear ya, hopefully it’s a busy offseason for the Jets in a positive way making this Jets team a better team, including getting rid of the “Country Club Attitude Players” that are running this team, including running this team into the ground, get rid of the “Country Club Attitude Players”, it’s time to move on from them👍.
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Post by PeakyBlinders on May 28, 2023 12:31:44 GMT -6
Prospect review
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Post by Tracker on May 28, 2023 12:48:12 GMT -6
FWIW: On NHL radio this morning, the panel was in agreement that, in all likelihood, the Jets have seen the last of Scheifele, Wheeler, DuBois and even Hellebuyck as rumours abound in the NHL that he wants to go to a contender. Where there's smoke there is usually fire. I am still amazed that Cheveldayoff could screw things up so badly and still have his job. I suspect that we can look forward to another mediocre year.
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Post by ekjet72 on May 28, 2023 13:08:40 GMT -6
FWIW: On NHL radio this morning, the panel was in agreement that, in all likelihood, the Jets have seen the last of Scheifele, Wheeler, DuBois and even Hellebuyck as rumours abound in the NHL that he wants to go to a contender. Where there's smoke there is usually fire. I am still amazed that Cheveldayoff could screw things up so badly and still have his job. I suspect that we can look forward to another mediocre year. As I've said before, better a team of grinders and up and coming players, who want to be there. Than the nonchalant play of our "stars" who were at most frustrating, and at the least off putting. Kids who listen to their coach and try their hardest will be refreshing to watch. And if they select the right players in the draft then maybe the Jets of 84-88 will be resurrected. 🤞
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Post by PeakyBlinders on May 28, 2023 13:32:43 GMT -6
FWIW: On NHL radio this morning, the panel was in agreement that, in all likelihood, the Jets have seen the last of Scheifele, Wheeler, DuBois and even Hellebuyck as rumours abound in the NHL that he wants to go to a contender. Where there's smoke there is usually fire. I am still amazed that Cheveldayoff could screw things up so badly and still have his job. I suspect that we can look forward to another mediocre year. I am happy to throw Chevy under the bus but now have seen in Toronto how Shanahan got in the way of things Dubas tried to do (not sayinbg the team would have been better or worse) - so we would need to know how influencial Chipman is in decisions. Has he vetoed trades? As he forced signings Chevy thought were bad?
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Post by gobombersgo on May 28, 2023 16:57:58 GMT -6
FWIW: On NHL radio this morning, the panel was in agreement that, in all likelihood, the Jets have seen the last of Scheifele, Wheeler, DuBois and even Hellebuyck as rumours abound in the NHL that he wants to go to a contender. Where there's smoke there is usually fire. I am still amazed that Cheveldayoff could screw things up so badly and still have his job. I suspect that we can look forward to another mediocre year. Mediocre year!?!? We will be dreaming of having a mediocre year for 3 or 4 seasons until we finally again have a mediocre year!
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Post by shakinallover on May 28, 2023 19:04:46 GMT -6
Even if the team is without the 3 it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to replace them. The new guys will be different types of players but that's what's needed isn't it? Whatever "culture or system" the coaching staffs have tried to instill has been undermined by the 3. Find some more Ninos and Vlads to bring a harder working coachable leaders and the rest will follow. 55 should get you a decent 2nd line centre and maybe a prospect. If Montreal offers up something similar take it and run. Wheeler will cost money no matter which way you look at it. If it all goes to hell then you can trade Helle and whomever else at the trade deadline. If Chevy is being lead around by his nose by Chipman he's got to realise his days are numbered. His resume is suffering already don't make it worse, go down swinging not whimpering.
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Post by lenny on May 28, 2023 19:23:44 GMT -6
I dont mind mediocre years as long as the GM states what the purpose and reasons are i. e. rebuild. Pain comes with rebuilds. It's the bs i can't stand.
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Post by ekjet72 on May 28, 2023 23:10:13 GMT -6
Even if the team is without the 3 it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to replace them. The new guys will be different types of players but that's what's needed isn't it? Whatever "culture or system" the coaching staffs have tried to instill has been undermined by the 3. Find some more Ninos and Vlads to bring a harder working coachable leaders and the rest will follow. 55 should get you a decent 2nd line centre and maybe a prospect. If Montreal offers up something similar take it and run. Wheeler will cost money no matter which way you look at it. If it all goes to hell then you can trade Helle and whomever else at the trade deadline. If Chevy is being lead around by his nose by Chipman he's got to realise his days are numbered. His resume is suffering already don't make it worse, go down swinging not whimpering. I think RB is the perfect man for the job. Bringing 3 or 4 players to meld into his version of NHL hockey and adding them to the team philosophy. I liked it a lot when he convinced his players in Oct through Dec of last year. I can only believe that he knew that this sort of change was coming for him to continue for another year. Doing what he did last year with the same crew and expecting different, well, that's the definition of insanity, isn't it?! I hope Chevy gets the guys that will make the team a team again.
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Post by Tim on May 29, 2023 6:18:29 GMT -6
If you can't take M.S., P.L.D and C.H. trade them and instantly make yourself a better well rounded stable team, then you can't get lade in a whorehouse with a fist full of fifties. Each player should get you at least a quality lineup guy, young prospect, and a good draft pick....C.H. maybe more if he wins the Vesna again. Wheeler you hang onto and unload at the trade deadline.
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Post by bigoljetairliner on May 29, 2023 15:29:49 GMT -6
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