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Post by ddanger on Jun 25, 2023 17:43:18 GMT -6
You cant look at this trade in terms of what the Jets traded to get PLD. Fact is, the sour locker room cost them Laine and then essentially cost them PLD or a more solid chance at him. This is 100% on the team, not on any of the players. The locker room issues have cost this team a lot and rebuilding it so players want to stay here is a huge task. It starts with moving all problem players out and those that do not want to be here. Agreed....What we gave up for PLD is water under the bridge. And perhaps removing 55 and 26 will result in a better locker room and maybe even a few players WANTING to come here. Look at the Bombers....players want to come here. I'm probably comparing apples to oranges but I strongly feel that there's massive cultural differences in our two teams.
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Post by lenny on Jun 25, 2023 18:45:53 GMT -6
The Los Angeles Kings and Winnipeg Jets have agreed to a blockbuster trade involving center Pierre-Luc Dubois www.habsfanatics.com/The-Los-Angeles-Kings-and-Winnipeg-Jets-have-agreed-to-a-blockbuster-trade-involving-center-Pierre-Luc-Dubois-249815There were two big steps in this matter. 1) Find common ground between the Jets' General Manager and the Kings' for the trade. 2) Dubois signing an 8-year contract with his new team (major condition for the trade). We are at step two. It's big, but it's also an important step. The "trade" part is settled, but there's still the "8-year contract" part. According to solid sources, the Kings would be sending Gabe Vilardi and Alex Iafallo, among others, to the Jets.
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Post by tiramisu on Jun 25, 2023 19:03:51 GMT -6
The Los Angeles Kings and Winnipeg Jets have agreed to a blockbuster trade involving center Pierre-Luc Dubois www.habsfanatics.com/The-Los-Angeles-Kings-and-Winnipeg-Jets-have-agreed-to-a-blockbuster-trade-involving-center-Pierre-Luc-Dubois-249815There were two big steps in this matter. 1) Find common ground between the Jets' General Manager and the Kings' for the trade. 2) Dubois signing an 8-year contract with his new team (major condition for the trade). We are at step two. It's big, but it's also an important step. The "trade" part is settled, but there's still the "8-year contract" part. According to solid sources, the Kings would be sending Gabe Vilardi and Alex Iafallo, among others, to the Jets. Iafallo played very hard in the Edmonton series. Vilardi has looked good when I've seen him play. Great hands. I can't recall if he was playing centre in those games, though. That would be a help if he was, as he could replace PLD.
Strange, though. I always thought LA could use Hellebuyck a lot more than they needed PLD.
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Post by Ric O. on Jun 25, 2023 19:16:33 GMT -6
The Los Angeles Kings and Winnipeg Jets have agreed to a blockbuster trade involving center Pierre-Luc Dubois www.habsfanatics.com/The-Los-Angeles-Kings-and-Winnipeg-Jets-have-agreed-to-a-blockbuster-trade-involving-center-Pierre-Luc-Dubois-249815There were two big steps in this matter. 1) Find common ground between the Jets' General Manager and the Kings' for the trade. 2) Dubois signing an 8-year contract with his new team (major condition for the trade). We are at step two. It's big, but it's also an important step. The "trade" part is settled, but there's still the "8-year contract" part. According to solid sources, the Kings would be sending Gabe Vilardi and Alex Iafallo, among others, to the Jets. Exciting news! Man do I want rid of this guy and fast...and I have to admit I feel a lot like Manilow in wanting to stick it to the Habs!
Step 2 still has me nervous. I have not believed that Dubois will commit to a team other than Habs for the long term. Seems like LA is stepping up big time and the offer to PLD will be rich I'm sure. Now we'll see if he and his agent have merely been using the Jets and Kings to leverage a sweeter long term deal from his destination of choice. I could just picture him showing up a presser with LA contract in front of him, pen in hand...dropping the pen and walking out on everyone...but I suppose I should give him more credit than that.
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Post by PeakyBlinders on Jun 25, 2023 20:40:28 GMT -6
It occurred to me today that just maybe Byfuglien decided to bail because of the locker room dysfunction and drama. He probably had enough savings that he really didn't need to put up with crap. That has been long rumored. Buff played the game for fun and he said it was no longer fun for him. Not hard to connect the dots that the locker room contributed to it not being fun (I believe his ankle injury did as well).
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Post by gobombersgo on Jun 25, 2023 20:44:30 GMT -6
That has been long rumored. Buff played the game for fun and he said it was no longer fun for him. Not hard to connect the dots that the locker room contributed to it not being fun (I believe his ankle injury did as well). Buff came back to Winnipeg and lasted 1 day in training camp and walked away from 14 million. Clearly nothing changed in there over the off season and walked out.
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Post by bigoljetairliner on Jun 25, 2023 21:47:47 GMT -6
I'm still having a hard time seeing how the Kings make the money work. From what is known, the Kings will lose $4M in salary (Iafallo) and an unsigned RFA (Vilardi), while getting an unsigned RFA (Dubois) and Harkins ($850k). Let's say PLD agrees to $8.150M/yr on an extension, that would be $9M in salary with Harkins, leaving LA with about $4M in space to sign a couple more bottom 6 forwards, an bottom pair of d-men plus a 7th guy, and a starter/50-50 guy (with only Copley currently signed in net, who started 37 games last season), for a total of 6 players.
Can't see the Kings wanting to get rid of Kempe's $5.5M for 3 yrs contract, so that just leaves Arvidsson's $4.25M for 1 yr. If he was sent out in the Dubois trade or separately, LA would then have $8.25M for 7 spots. Wouldn't leave a ton for a starting goaltender ($2-3M), but probably could be done.
**I guess Trevor Moore's $4.2M for 5 yrs with 10 team no trade list is another possibility to shed salary.**
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Post by honeybadger on Jun 25, 2023 22:40:52 GMT -6
Travis Sanheim is not the player the jets need at all? Sanheim was benched when Philly played in Wpg cause he was not up to Nhl playing standards? Chevy has no talent compass! Jet fans deserve more!
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Post by ekjet72 on Jun 25, 2023 22:44:41 GMT -6
My boy says calgary is rumoured to be targeting Scheifele. He is right more than he is wrong.
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Post by bigoljetairliner on Jun 25, 2023 23:45:13 GMT -6
Calgary has 3 players one year from UFA status in Lindholm (C/$4.85M), Toffoli (RW/$4.25M), and Hanafin (LD/$4.95M) that could be available, but unless they were willing to re-up they wouldn't be great value (could be flipped at trade deadline though).
The most interesting pieces would be the 16th overall pick in 2023, goalie Wolf (22 yrs/6'/2.09GAA/.932 save % in AHL), center Zary (21 yrs/6'/58pts in 72 AHL games), and left defenseman Poirier (21 yrs/6'1"/3rd rd in 2020/41 pts in 69 AHL games).
Other potential players: wingers Coronato (20 yrs/5'10"/13th overall in 2020), Pelletier (22 yrs/5'9"/26th in 2019), Ciona (20 yrs/6'3"/6th rd in 2021), and goalie Vladar (25 yrs/6'5"/2.91GAA/.895% in 27 NHL games).
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Post by PeakyBlinders on Jun 26, 2023 8:01:03 GMT -6
I'm still having a hard time seeing how the Kings make the money work. From what is known, the Kings will lose $4M in salary (Iafallo) and an unsigned RFA (Vilardi), while getting an unsigned RFA (Dubois) and Harkins ($850k). Let's say PLD agrees to $8.150M/yr on an extension, that would be $9M in salary with Harkins, leaving LA with about $4M in space to sign a couple more bottom 6 forwards, an bottom pair of d-men plus a 7th guy, and a starter/50-50 guy (with only Copley currently signed in net, who started 37 games last season), for a total of 6 players. Can't see the Kings wanting to get rid of Kempe's $5.5M for 3 yrs contract, so that just leaves Arvidsson's $4.25M for 1 yr. If he was sent out in the Dubois trade or separately, LA would then have $8.25M for 7 spots. Wouldn't leave a ton for a starting goaltender ($2-3M), but probably could be done. **I guess Trevor Moore's $4.2M for 5 yrs with 10 team no trade list is another possibility to shed salary.**Could not LA sign DuBois to his one year RFA Deal (lets say $6M) and then a long term higher value deal? So the 2023 cap hit would be the $6M and then going forward it would be the AAV of the long term deal. Not sure that would work under the CBA
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Post by bigoljetairliner on Jun 26, 2023 8:20:10 GMT -6
I'm still having a hard time seeing how the Kings make the money work. From what is known, the Kings will lose $4M in salary (Iafallo) and an unsigned RFA (Vilardi), while getting an unsigned RFA (Dubois) and Harkins ($850k). Let's say PLD agrees to $8.150M/yr on an extension, that would be $9M in salary with Harkins, leaving LA with about $4M in space to sign a couple more bottom 6 forwards, an bottom pair of d-men plus a 7th guy, and a starter/50-50 guy (with only Copley currently signed in net, who started 37 games last season), for a total of 6 players. Can't see the Kings wanting to get rid of Kempe's $5.5M for 3 yrs contract, so that just leaves Arvidsson's $4.25M for 1 yr. If he was sent out in the Dubois trade or separately, LA would then have $8.25M for 7 spots. Wouldn't leave a ton for a starting goaltender ($2-3M), but probably could be done. **I guess Trevor Moore's $4.2M for 5 yrs with 10 team no trade list is another possibility to shed salary.**Could not LA sign DuBois to his one year RFA Deal (lets say $6M) and then a long term higher value deal? So the 2023 cap hit would be the $6M and then going forward it would be the AAV of the long term deal. Not sure that would work under the CBA It's possible that could be done. Not sure if there are rules indicating how quickly NHL teams can re-negotiate an extension after signing a player to a one year deal...can they sign the 1 yr contract on Monday and then an 8 yr extension on Tuesday or do they have to wait an entire season before they do that? Can't recall anyone ever doing something like that, so there may be a waiting period or something. The biggest concern about that route is if PLD decides against signing the extension during the time between signing the two contracts, thus being able to walk as a UFA after this year.
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Post by tedflash13 on Jun 26, 2023 8:26:57 GMT -6
I'm still having a hard time seeing how the Kings make the money work. From what is known, the Kings will lose $4M in salary (Iafallo) and an unsigned RFA (Vilardi), while getting an unsigned RFA (Dubois) and Harkins ($850k). Let's say PLD agrees to $8.150M/yr on an extension, that would be $9M in salary with Harkins, leaving LA with about $4M in space to sign a couple more bottom 6 forwards, an bottom pair of d-men plus a 7th guy, and a starter/50-50 guy (with only Copley currently signed in net, who started 37 games last season), for a total of 6 players. Can't see the Kings wanting to get rid of Kempe's $5.5M for 3 yrs contract, so that just leaves Arvidsson's $4.25M for 1 yr. If he was sent out in the Dubois trade or separately, LA would then have $8.25M for 7 spots. Wouldn't leave a ton for a starting goaltender ($2-3M), but probably could be done. **I guess Trevor Moore's $4.2M for 5 yrs with 10 team no trade list is another possibility to shed salary.**Could not LA sign DuBois to his one year RFA Deal (lets say $6M) and then a long term higher value deal? So the 2023 cap hit would be the $6M and then going forward it would be the AAV of the long term deal. Not sure that would work under the CBA I could be wrong but I believe that Winnipeg can only offer a 8 year deal.
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Post by bigoljetairliner on Jun 26, 2023 8:59:09 GMT -6
Could not LA sign DuBois to his one year RFA Deal (lets say $6M) and then a long term higher value deal? So the 2023 cap hit would be the $6M and then going forward it would be the AAV of the long term deal. Not sure that would work under the CBA I could be wrong but I believe that Winnipeg can only offer a 8 year deal. Sorry, I was assuming it will be a sign & trade deal where Winnipeg will sign Dubois to a contract and then send him to LA, which is why the Kings are currently negotiating details despite not actually having his rights yet. Also, I believe in the scenario above the Kings would be able to offer him an 8 yr deal, because they would gain the 8 yr deal privilege once they signed him to the 1 yr contract.
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Post by PeakyBlinders on Jun 26, 2023 9:38:01 GMT -6
Now that I think about it, once a player signs an RFA contract they cannot negotiate another contrcat for a certain window of time, cant recall what that is.
Sign and trade does seem to be the likely path.
FYI - teams can go up to 10% over the cap in the offseason, but they need to be compliant the first day of the regular season.
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