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Post by PeakyBlinders on Jun 26, 2023 9:49:12 GMT -6
LeBrun noted today that New Jersey may be fine with trading for Helle without a contract extention:
Not much has changed since Pierre LeBrun first reported there’s mutual interest between the Devils and Hellebuyck. But in The Athletic’s trade board 3.0, there was an interesting bullet about the two. The Athletic noted that the Devils might be open to acquiring Hellebuyck without an extension (From “NHL offseason trade board 3.0: How a Flames firesale could impact the market — plus all the latest rumblings” – The Athletic, 6/24/2023).
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Post by lenny on Jun 26, 2023 10:17:11 GMT -6
LeBrun noted today that New Jersey may be fine with trading for Helle without a contract extention: Not much has changed since Pierre LeBrun first reported there’s mutual interest between the Devils and Hellebuyck. But in The Athletic’s trade board 3.0, there was an interesting bullet about the two. The Athletic noted that the Devils might be open to acquiring Hellebuyck without an extension (From “NHL offseason trade board 3.0: How a Flames firesale could impact the market — plus all the latest rumblings” – The Athletic, 6/24/2023). That's a big risk for Helle but as stated his agent is pricing him out of a long term deal. People look at LVK and a team which went through five middling goalies of which one stepped up in the playoffs and SCF to win it all and know it's better to get a well balanced team then commit to long term to a 30 year old goalie.
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Post by PeakyBlinders on Jun 26, 2023 10:46:01 GMT -6
LeBrun noted today that New Jersey may be fine with trading for Helle without a contract extention: Not much has changed since Pierre LeBrun first reported there’s mutual interest between the Devils and Hellebuyck. But in The Athletic’s trade board 3.0, there was an interesting bullet about the two. The Athletic noted that the Devils might be open to acquiring Hellebuyck without an extension (From “NHL offseason trade board 3.0: How a Flames firesale could impact the market — plus all the latest rumblings” – The Athletic, 6/24/2023). That's a big risk for Helle but as stated his agent is pricing him out of a long term deal. People look at LVK and a team which went through five middling goalies of which one stepped up in the playoffs and SCF to win it all and know it's better to get a well balanced team then commit to long term to a 30 year old goalie. The article also noted (I did not cut and paste it) that the Devils would look to 'sell' Helle on the team potential to get him a Cup and sign a friendlier team deal instead of the Bob type deal.
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Post by PeakyBlinders on Jun 26, 2023 10:46:48 GMT -6
Habs back in on Dubois? The Winnipeg Jets and Los Angeles Kings are reportedly continuing to work out the details on a trade that would see Pierre-Luc Dubois head to Hollywood.
But the Montreal Canadiens aren't out of the sweepstakes just yet, either.
Dubois has previously been tied to Montreal as his preferred landing spot, and TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger adds to Arpon Basu of The Athletic's earlier report, stating the Canadiens have "re-engaged."
"The Montreal Canadiens have circled back on PLD. Seemed LA was a clear frontrunner, and that may still be the case, but the Habs have re-engaged," Dreger wrote Monday on Twitter.
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Post by lenny on Jun 26, 2023 11:18:59 GMT -6
Habs back in on Dubois? The Winnipeg Jets and Los Angeles Kings are reportedly continuing to work out the details on a trade that would see Pierre-Luc Dubois head to Hollywood. But the Montreal Canadiens aren't out of the sweepstakes just yet, either. Dubois has previously been tied to Montreal as his preferred landing spot, and TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger adds to Arpon Basu of The Athletic's earlier report, stating the Canadiens have "re-engaged." "The Montreal Canadiens have circled back on PLD. Seemed LA was a clear frontrunner, and that may still be the case, but the Habs have re-engaged," Dreger wrote Monday on Twitter. They have that window coming up after the draft where they can put an offer to the Jets and wait for a matching.
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Post by Rocky Mountain Jets Fan on Jun 26, 2023 12:25:46 GMT -6
Habs back in on Dubois? The Winnipeg Jets and Los Angeles Kings are reportedly continuing to work out the details on a trade that would see Pierre-Luc Dubois head to Hollywood. But the Montreal Canadiens aren't out of the sweepstakes just yet, either. Dubois has previously been tied to Montreal as his preferred landing spot, and TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger adds to Arpon Basu of The Athletic's earlier report, stating the Canadiens have "re-engaged." "The Montreal Canadiens have circled back on PLD. Seemed LA was a clear frontrunner, and that may still be the case, but the Habs have re-engaged," Dreger wrote Monday on Twitter. They have that window coming up after the draft where they can put an offer to the Jets and wait for a matching. Winnipeg will most likely move Dubois before the draft they don't want to risk any BS happening. Take the best deal from LA unless Les habs get serious.
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Post by sgtbarnes on Jun 26, 2023 13:15:00 GMT -6
Great timing for this update Boja. PLD, from all reports it sounds like they are all centered around LAK and the return you mention. It seems like if where there's smoke there's fire, that is where he'll end up. In the back of my mind, I still have a hard time believing he's truly willing to sign a long term contract anywhere other than MTL and every team mentioned other than that is some kind diversion. One might think, sure Jets can throw other team names up there to boost the value but why would PLD's agent and PLD himself play along with that? Maybe to put a little more heat on the Habs to not only make the deal sooner but if they feel there's competition, it might increase the value of the contract offer too. I'd love to see him go to LAK but I think the smoke goes with the mirrors and he'll be a Hab soon. Wheeler, if he truly valued winning above all, he would have made younger players feel they were as important to the team as he felt he was - a true mentor. But that is not what he was, JMO that he did far more to tear down the spirit of the team and any chance of winning. He should have listened to his own instinct and signed with one of the many teams that he says wanted him so bad when he re-signed here. I'm not doubting that a lot of teams would have wanted him, but at 8.25 x 5 for a 31yo? Good luck. And now, good riddance! Just buy him out already and be done with the drama. Scheif, you know, I think a lot of teams would be drooling to get a player like him, with his offensive upside. But I think his antics with now 2 coaches, his value has to be pretty drastically diminished. I don't think the return will be as high as it should be for a player of his talent calibre. I think I agree with your thought that maybe (although I think unlikely) if you take Wheeler out of the equation, Scheif could return to the "enthusiastic hockey rat" you mention...I like that, that's the Scheif I prefer to remember. The present one I prefer to forget. As you say, not really any rumours swirling about him. A positive Scheif could still be a good start point in retooling the offence. I think the smart thing to do is move on from him. He's soon to be 30 and even if he has a positive year and shoots the lights out offensively, Chevy could find himself right back in the Wheeler situation where you're paying top dollar for a diminishing return and potential cancer in room. Trade deadline move maybe, probably where Chevy could get best return for him. Hellebuyck, sorry to see him go but it seems like when he has made that decision himself, the time is right for a mutual parting of ways. Just get the best return you can for him. Build the right team if front of him, they'll find a goalie that can get the job done. a la VGK. I think this whole LA thing is smoke and mirrors from the Dubois camp. The idea being to get Montreal to be pro-active, dollar wise. Not in a value player return sense. They obviously don't care about that. There's some high quality players being talked about and I just don't see Dubois having that kind of value to the Kings. I hope to be wrong, but I'll believe it when I see it. The Jets can trade PLD to anyone. That's their leverage. Dubois holds the hammer of where he will commit to, long term. I think he's traded as a rental, and plays his way to UFA, or he gets traded to Montreal at the draft. In either case, I would not expect much coming back. Interesting to note, the vast majority of LA King fans I see on social media aren't very excited about this speculation. Pretty negative about giving up much for Dubois.
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Post by PeakyBlinders on Jun 26, 2023 13:21:02 GMT -6
I think there is way too much talk about LA from various sources to call it smoke and mirrors. The key though is the long term contract, that has to be part of the deal for the other team in order to pay 'equal' value. No doubt PLD and his agent are trying to keep Mtl in the discussions but they also probably realize that if MTL is only luke warm to a trade now they will be luke warm to signing him to a long term deal now or a year from now.
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Post by 2b9 on Jun 26, 2023 13:33:46 GMT -6
I think there is way too much talk about LA from various sources to call it smoke and mirrors. The key though is the long term contract, that has to be part of the deal for the other team in order to pay 'equal' value. No doubt PLD and his agent are trying to keep Mtl in the discussions but they also probably realize that if MTL is only luke warm to a trade now they will be luke warm to signing him to a long term deal now or a year from now. Totally agree with you👍.
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Post by sgtbarnes on Jun 26, 2023 13:34:17 GMT -6
I think there is way too much talk about LA from various sources to call it smoke and mirrors. The key though is the long term contract, that has to be part of the deal for the other team in order to pay 'equal' value. No doubt PLD and his agent are trying to keep Mtl in the discussions but they also probably realize that if MTL is only luke warm to a trade now they will be luke warm to signing him to a long term deal now or a year from now. Insider sources. It's pretty amazing that some trades get done without any hints at all from the insiders. And you never know how much of this stuff gets put out there by the agent himself. I'm hopeful, but I'll believe it when it happens. Agents want more than one team in the mix. I have no doubt that there's been discussions with other teams. My point is that Dubois will end up where he wants to end up. And I still think it's Montreal next season. Or 24-25.
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Post by manilow78 on Jun 26, 2023 13:48:35 GMT -6
Interesting that Boston just opened up space with the Hall/Foligno trade. Another team that could be interested in Jets assets?
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Post by PeakyBlinders on Jun 26, 2023 15:51:08 GMT -6
Dave Pagnoda said LA was one of the 5 or 6 teams PLD said he would sign with. His agent is friends with Luc Robittie (sp) and Marc Bergevin
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Post by honeybadger on Jun 26, 2023 16:03:51 GMT -6
Free popcorn for anyone thinking this organization will make trade to improve the team?
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Post by PeakyBlinders on Jun 26, 2023 16:25:40 GMT -6
Free popcorn for anyone thinking this organization will make trade to improve the team? Well, they will make trades to get more players under control (years) but that is not the same thing.
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Post by sgtbarnes on Jun 26, 2023 16:53:18 GMT -6
Dubois could give Chevy a list of 31 teams that he'd be willing to sign with. Then, ask for more money than he's worth and nothing would happen but speculation on much more social media.
I hope Chevy gets a haul of talented players from the Kings for Dubois. Or from any other team. I will remain skeptical until it actually happens. I just can't see any sharp GM trading away a boatload of talent and committing huge dollars to an inconsistent player who has a tendency to quit on teams, and who's lifelong dream has been to be a Hab.
Color me hopeful, but cynical.
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