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Post by 2b9 on Jan 29, 2024 15:41:24 GMT -6
A big name player or two upgrade before the deadline can work as a huge morale boost to the team for going all in. We definitely need an upgrade at 2nd line center and a right handed dman wouldn't hurt Big RHD! I still don't understand why Stanley isn't given every opportunity to win a spot. I know he doesn't play tough but at least teams can't target him. He really hasn’t shown very much when he has played, he seems to be a tad bit too slow, his physicality is very much lacking for such a big man. I was hoping for more from him.
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Post by ekjet72 on Jan 29, 2024 16:32:49 GMT -6
A big name player or two upgrade before the deadline can work as a huge morale boost to the team for going all in. We definitely need an upgrade at 2nd line center and a right handed dman wouldn't hurt Big RHD! I still don't understand why Stanley isn't given every opportunity to win a spot. I know he doesn't play tough but at least teams can't target him. Back in the day the biggest immovable object got plunked in front of the crease. Hey, I have an idea, Stanley could be that guy. Dangerous work but he would have plenty of it.
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Post by truthspeaker on Jan 29, 2024 16:36:58 GMT -6
Big RHD! I still don't understand why Stanley isn't given every opportunity to win a spot. I know he doesn't play tough but at least teams can't target him. He really hasn’t shown very much when he has played, he seems to be a tad bit too slow, his physicality is very much lacking for such a big man. I was hoping for more from him. That is one thing you can't coach, meanness, aggressiveness, you either have it Ala Buff or you don't and Stanley doesn't have it.
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Post by Rocky Mountain Jets Fan on Jan 29, 2024 16:43:57 GMT -6
Big RHD! I still don't understand why Stanley isn't given every opportunity to win a spot. I know he doesn't play tough but at least teams can't target him. Back in the day the biggest immovable object got plunked in front of the crease. Hey, I have an idea, Stanley could be that guy. Dangerous work but he would have plenty of it. Sure he's not the best but he's not terrible...I fail to believe he would be worse than Schmidt as the 6th dman. This would add size and who knows maybe once in a while he'll get irritated enough to nail someone. This D needs size one way or another and with his reach he doesn't need to skate like Morrissey.
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Post by 2b9 on Jan 29, 2024 16:56:05 GMT -6
Back in the day the biggest immovable object got plunked in front of the crease. Hey, I have an idea, Stanley could be that guy. Dangerous work but he would have plenty of it. Sure he's not the best but he's not terrible...I fail to believe he would be worse than Schmidt as the 6th dman. This would add size and who knows maybe once in a while he'll get irritated enough to nail someone. This D needs size one way or another and with his reach he doesn't need to skate like Morrissey. I agree with you that our D needs more size. I’m just not comfortable with Stanley being that person/D-Man, I could be wrong though, as everyone knows, I have been wrong before.
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Post by ekjet72 on Jan 29, 2024 17:08:17 GMT -6
Sure he's not the best but he's not terrible...I fail to believe he would be worse than Schmidt as the 6th dman. This would add size and who knows maybe once in a while he'll get irritated enough to nail someone. This D needs size one way or another and with his reach he doesn't need to skate like Morrissey. I agree with you that our D needs more size. I’m just not comfortable with Stanley being that person/D-Man, I could be wrong though, as everyone knows, I have been wrong before. As best as I can remember, he has always been positive on the Plus Minus meter. And in fact he potted 2 goals in one playoff game, against Les Habs, a couple of years ago. My point, he doesn't mind the pressure.
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Post by 2b9 on Jan 29, 2024 17:44:48 GMT -6
I agree with you that our D needs more size. I’m just not comfortable with Stanley being that person/D-Man, I could be wrong though, as everyone knows, I have been wrong before. As best as I can remember, he has always been positive on the Plus Minus meter. And in fact he potted 2 goals in one playoff game, against Les Habs, a couple of years ago. My point, he doesn't mind the pressure. Okay ek, I hear ya👍. I respect everything that you are saying 100%👍. So, here is my question, why can’t he crack the lineup as a full time D-Man with the Jets as a 3rd pairing D-Man, he has been with the Jets for a number of years now, it’s obvious that the Jets Coaching Staff including Jets Management “do not” have enough confidence in Stanley being a full time 3rd pairing D-Man. Why is that? There has got to be a reason for so much distrust from the Jets Coaching Staff including Jets Management as to why they won’t give Stanley a chance. What are your thoughts on everything that I have above mentioned? Believe me as I say this, I would love to see Stanley succeed with the Jets, for whatever reasons/reasoning it has not happened, where does the fault lie, what is the truth and reasoning? Cheers, 2b9😃👍
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Post by Ric O. on Jan 29, 2024 22:51:54 GMT -6
Obviously Stanley has his detractors. Well, here, I know this won't be a popular take among Jets fans...
He was the 6th D-man last year and lost it only due to injury. He missed a lot of time and that's essentially what cost him his job. Samberg came in and didn't start great but got better and better to the point where he's a pretty damn good d-man now. He has far overtaken Stanley in the depth.
Looking at the rest of the guys, Morrissey, Schmidt, DeMelo, Pionk, Dillon...look a the money there with those veterans, it seems like unless the defence goes into a nosedive, nobody is pushing those guys out...unless they get injured. Not even fan darling Ville can push any of them out.
But the Jets still value Stanley...either as a player, a depth player, or a trade piece...thus Kovacevic is gone, Chisholm is gone, Stanley is still here, even despite asking for a trade! When Stanley has played this year, imo he has been pretty good; he's got a big shot and either at the point or in front of the net, he would be a plus on the Power Play imo.
But Jets don't think that way, they like trying the same thing over and over again no matter how it's not working. Interesting that Bones seemed to blame a lot of the lack of PP success on the fact that Vilardi, Scheif and Connor have not had enough time all together. So throw up their hands and keep it failing? Stanley looks slower than he is, when he plays tough he gets the "too strong" penalties and the follow up "there you go, dumb penalty!" tag...kind of can't win. My biggest problem with him is that he has had a difficult time staying healthy so it's pretty hard to rely on a guy like that to be a regular.
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Post by ekjet72 on Jan 29, 2024 22:52:42 GMT -6
^^^^^ You know I obviously don't have that insider knowledge. So you're going to get my impressions for what they're worth. He was obviously a work in project with considerable upside. A work in progress but worthy a 1st round choice. His progress was slow but Chara was what everyone thought/hoped he would turn into. Maybe the slowness of his progress colored management's assessments in the negative. I would have thought the new coaches would have a clear slate when it came to his role. But appears they agree with PM evaluation of 64. I agree with Rocky Mtn many of his issues can be forgiven with his wing span. But why do I think he hasn't been given a fair shake. 2 words: John Kovacevic. Both were "learners" in a team with a team with a lot of salary committed to D men. They have waived 2 reasonably good prospects in Kovacecic and Chisholm because of Schmidt's contract and possibly those of #2 & #4. Pionk was terrible last year and Stanley would not have been worse in my opinion. High praise indeed.It would be hard to justify sitting Schmidt while playing 64 full-time and watching him get his pro game buffed up. Which you can only do with on ice experience and not while sitting on the pine. Our position in the standings, last year and this, make it less likely you're going to see him get that chance over 88 and 5.85M salary. That said he would be the first guy to trade given the faith the administration has in him. And he said he wants to leave!
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Post by 2b9 on Jan 30, 2024 8:38:03 GMT -6
Obviously Stanley has his detractors. Well, here, I know this won't be a popular take among Jets fans... He was the 6th D-man last year and lost it only due to injury. He missed a lot of time and that's essentially what cost him his job. Samberg came in and didn't start great but got better and better to the point where he's a pretty damn good d-man now. He has far overtaken Stanley in the depth. Looking at the rest of the guys, Morrissey, Schmidt, DeMelo, Pionk, Dillon...look a the money there with those veterans, it seems like unless the defence goes into a nosedive, nobody is pushing those guys out...unless they get injured. Not even fan darling Ville can push any of them out. But the Jets still value Stanley...either as a player, a depth player, or a trade piece...thus Kovacevic is gone, Chisholm is gone, Stanley is still here, even despite asking for a trade! When Stanley has played this year, imo he has been pretty good; he's got a big shot and either at the point or in front of the net, he would be a plus on the Power Play imo. But Jets don't think that way, they like trying the same thing over and over again no matter how it's not working. Interesting that Bones seemed to blame a lot of the lack of PP success on the fact that Vilardi, Scheif and Connor have not had enough time all together. So throw up their hands and keep it failing? Stanley looks slower than he is, when he plays tough he gets the "too strong" penalties and the follow up "there you go, dumb penalty!" tag...kind of can't win. My biggest problem with him is that he has had a difficult time staying healthy so it's pretty hard to rely on a guy like that to be a regular. All very good points👍.
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Post by 2b9 on Jan 30, 2024 8:40:59 GMT -6
^^^^^ You know I obviously don't have that insider knowledge. So you're going to get my impressions for what they're worth. He was obviously a work in project with considerable upside. A work in progress but worthy a 1st round choice. His progress was slow but Chara was what everyone thought/hoped he would turn into. Maybe the slowness of his progress colored management's assessments in the negative. I would have thought the new coaches would have a clear slate when it came to his role. But appears they agree with PM evaluation of 64. I agree with Rocky Mtn many of his issues can be forgiven with his wing span. But why do I think he hasn't been given a fair shake. 2 words: John Kovacevic. Both were "learners" in a team with a team with a lot of salary committed to D men. They have waived 2 reasonably good prospects in Kovacecic and Chisholm because of Schmidt's contract and possibly those of #2 & #4. Pionk was terrible last year and Stanley would not have been worse in my opinion. High praise indeed.It would be hard to justify sitting Schmidt while playing 64 full-time and watching him get his pro game buffed up. Which you can only do with on ice experience and not while sitting on the pine. Our position in the standings, last year and this, make it less likely you're going to see him get that chance over 88 and 5.85M salary. That said he would be the first guy to trade given the faith the administration has in him. And he said he wants to leave! Good points👍.
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Post by Rocky Mountain Jets Fan on Jan 30, 2024 11:52:48 GMT -6
So money is the main issue. If you want to fix that why not just waive Schmidt? Heaven forbid someone picks him up. This would give you flexibility moving forward if he clears and if he doesn't you now found 6 M. I understand for a playoff run you'd rather have all hands but it's bad losing decent prospects every year.
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Post by Tracker on Jan 30, 2024 14:41:27 GMT -6
I have been waiting for Stanley to break out for several years now and have come to the conclusion he will likely never be the next Chris Pronger. On the other hand, he still could be a valuable piece of the puzzle and I wonder if he has had the coaching and ice time necessary to develop into whatever he is capable of being. Confidence has to be a big thing, and if he has not gotten what he needs here and is not going to get it, for pity's sake, ship him out before he is irreparably damaged.
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Post by 2b9 on Jan 30, 2024 17:02:04 GMT -6
I have been waiting for Stanley to break out for several years now and have come to the conclusion he will likely never be the next Chris Pronger. On the other hand, he still could be a valuable piece of the puzzle and I wonder if he has had the coaching and ice time necessary to develop into whatever he is capable of being. Confidence has to be a big thing, and if he has not gotten what he needs here and is not going to get it, for pity's sake, ship him out before he is irreparably damaged. I agree with you on everything that you have said. He does need a chance to play a full season to see what is there, if it’s not going to be here, it should be elsewhere, don’t want to see the guy waste away. I think for myself, I’ve been overly critical of him, a full season of him playing would show if he has got what it takes, he does deserve that chance. Cheers, 2b9👍
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Post by honeybadger on Jan 30, 2024 18:12:04 GMT -6
I think we are all Dillushional if we think we can compete for a cup without some big star power coming on board to inspire these Uninspired whatever you wanna call them? Loosing 2 straight to the Leafs tells mw So much about the Heart of this team? Be ready for an early Exit? These Guys barely can hit the net most games? SAD!
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