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Post by sgtbarnes on May 7, 2024 6:17:10 GMT -6
I'm going in a different direction. I think it was a waste of 2 seasons of our best players' careers. I think his misuse of Ehlers was a big reason that he didn't progress as a play driver.
We probably had the most talent on the ice that this team has ever had. 5 and out.
I thought it was the wrong hire. It's proven to be. I'm not getting all warm and fuzzy because he's moving on. We know for a fact, playoffs are where coaches and players really connect.
I have no idea who the right coach for this group of underachieviers is. That's Chevy's job to get it right.
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Post by lenny on May 7, 2024 7:03:31 GMT -6
Didn't mind Bowness at all. My respect for the man increased when he called out the team last year which was a preface to several changes.
However, some of these guys and I include Maurice here are very rigid when it comes to adapting the team play to the given circumstances. Because their formula brings a certain success they for the most part believe they must ride the formula to the end. I always use the Western final in 2018 as my example. Gallant after the first game knew he couldn't run and gun with the Jets. He employed the trap in the second game going forward and took the Jets in four straight after that. Maurice, instead of fighting fire with fire continued the same strategy he used all season.
I really believe, that after the first loss against the Avs or at least the second loss Bones should have employed the trap or a version of same. Avs love stretching out your team and their transition in the neutral zone is deadly. Only way to counter that is the neutral zone trap. Bones was a victim of his own success in the regular season and continued to use the system that got his team there.
Regardless, lots of respect to the man because he's seen a lot of hockey history good and bad.
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Post by Tracker on May 7, 2024 7:20:28 GMT -6
Didn't mind Bowness at all. My respect for the man increased when he called out the team last year which was a preface to several changes. However, some of these guys and I include Maurice here are very rigid when it comes to adapting the team play to the given circumstances. Because their formula brings a certain success they for the most part believe they must ride the formula to the end. I always use the Western final in 2018 as my example. Gallant after the first game knew he couldn't run and gun with the Jets. He employed the trap in the second game going forward and took the Jets in four straight after that. Maurice, instead of fighting fire with fire continued the same strategy he used all season. I really believe, that after the first loss against the Avs or at least the second loss Bones should have employed the trap or a version of same. Avs love stretching out your team and their transition in the neutral zone is deadly. Only way to counter that is the neutral zone trap. Bones was a victim of his own success in the regular season and continued to use the system that got his team there. Regardless, lots of respect to the man because he's seen a lot of hockey history good and bad. Bowness was a good coach before he got here and Maurice has been a very good coach after he left. Bowness' outburst last year was probably the most honest assessment of the team culture and the next coach will inherit this.
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Post by shakinallover on May 7, 2024 11:51:56 GMT -6
Thanks for your dedication and wisdom Mr Bowness. As a fan it was much appreciated.
As for his replacement it really doesn't matter. The problems are not coaching but rather personnel. Colorado's 3rd and 4th lines got mean and went into playoff mode. The Jets do not have the personnel to match that. Hope you all took notes on who faded away when faced with playoff hockey. Those players need to be replaced asap whether they are fan favourites or not. There is absolutely no place for taking a shift off, or passing up an opportunity to hit an opponent, or not taking cheap shots.
I hate playoff hockey. All the rules go out the window. It's BS
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Post by sgtbarnes on May 7, 2024 13:12:15 GMT -6
Didn't mind Bowness at all. My respect for the man increased when he called out the team last year which was a preface to several changes. However, some of these guys and I include Maurice here are very rigid when it comes to adapting the team play to the given circumstances. Because their formula brings a certain success they for the most part believe they must ride the formula to the end. I always use the Western final in 2018 as my example. Gallant after the first game knew he couldn't run and gun with the Jets. He employed the trap in the second game going forward and took the Jets in four straight after that. Maurice, instead of fighting fire with fire continued the same strategy he used all season. I really believe, that after the first loss against the Avs or at least the second loss Bones should have employed the trap or a version of same. Avs love stretching out your team and their transition in the neutral zone is deadly. Only way to counter that is the neutral zone trap. Bones was a victim of his own success in the regular season and continued to use the system that got his team there. Regardless, lots of respect to the man because he's seen a lot of hockey history good and bad. Gallant could be a really viable candidate. Arniel's been a good assistant, but I think new blood, with no previous ties to the organization is the way to go. As far as the Bowness post elimination honesty last year, it was refreshing. But, did it do any good? Obviously not. And where was it this year? When he was hoping to stay on it was all hearts and flowers. This is a retirement in respect only. The Jets told him they weren't picking up the option. Realistically, how could they? 2-8 in 10 playoff games?
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Post by sgtbarnes on May 7, 2024 13:24:34 GMT -6
Playoff hockey brings out the best in players. It's more evident with every game I watch that a lot of our players aren't good enough at playoff speed. And the ones that are good enough, don't seem to care that much. And then, there's a lot of guys stuck in the middle. That's where coaching matters.
Watch game 7 Dallas and Vegas. Everything was contested. Hard fought with good goaltending at both ends. With a new coach, we still look to be miles away. It's time for Chevy to step up, or step away.
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Post by sgtbarnes on May 7, 2024 13:33:57 GMT -6
Florida had one of the best regular seasons ever in 21-22. They get swept in the playoffs and mgmt. says sorry coach. Not good enough.
Playoffs baby. Playoffs.
Maurice's main problem with the Jets was that he hung around too long. If it doesn't click when it counts, move on.
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Post by Tracker on May 7, 2024 16:55:24 GMT -6
You can't ride a horse that refuses to be ridden, and I suspect the next coach will meet the same fate as Maurice and Bowness- an initial surge of success leading to the miscreants eventually sabotaging the team while Cheveldayoff wrings his hands. We will see if fans start staying away again in response to the same old, same old.
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Post by 2b9 on May 7, 2024 18:51:13 GMT -6
Didn't mind Bowness at all. My respect for the man increased when he called out the team last year which was a preface to several changes. However, some of these guys and I include Maurice here are very rigid when it comes to adapting the team play to the given circumstances. Because their formula brings a certain success they for the most part believe they must ride the formula to the end. I always use the Western final in 2018 as my example. Gallant after the first game knew he couldn't run and gun with the Jets. He employed the trap in the second game going forward and took the Jets in four straight after that. Maurice, instead of fighting fire with fire continued the same strategy he used all season. I really believe, that after the first loss against the Avs or at least the second loss Bones should have employed the trap or a version of same. Avs love stretching out your team and their transition in the neutral zone is deadly. Only way to counter that is the neutral zone trap. Bones was a victim of his own success in the regular season and continued to use the system that got his team there. Regardless, lots of respect to the man because he's seen a lot of hockey history good and bad. Gallant could be a really viable candidate. Arniel's been a good assistant, but I think new blood, with no previous ties to the organization is the way to go. As far as the Bowness post elimination honesty last year, it was refreshing. But, did it do any good? Obviously not. And where was it this year? When he was hoping to stay on it was all hearts and flowers. This is a retirement in respect only. The Jets told him they weren't picking up the option. Realistically, how could they? 2-8 in 10 playoff games? How do you know that the Jets told Bowness that they the Jets were not going to be picking up the option for year 3? Do you have insider information to prove this? Or, is it an assumption on your part? I’m just curious to hear your answer(s). As you can see by all interviews from Bowness, Bowness after game 5 told all of his Coaching Staff that he was retiring. It’s all there to see and hear from Bowness/all interviews with Bowness. I’m not saying that you are wrong, just wondering where you got your information from, not trying to piss you off or myself being confrontational with you, far from that, not at all my intentions, just curious that’s all, hopefully you understand👍. Have a great night Sarge👍. Cheers, 2b9😉😃👍
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Post by Ric O. on May 7, 2024 20:41:30 GMT -6
Florida had one of the best regular seasons ever in 21-22. They get swept in the playoffs and mgmt. says sorry coach. Not good enough. Playoffs baby. Playoffs. Maurice's main problem with the Jets was that he hung around too long. If it doesn't click when it counts, move on. Agree, Maurice started out well and had a rather refreshing approach for the first 2 or 3 seasons I thought. Then it was like he became buddy of the core players to the point where those players could specify who they were willing to play with, who should be excluded, etc. and from there he turned into a pretty terrible coach IMO. He's still new to FLA. Well let's face it, he's inherited a much more talented, at least playoff ready team, than he ever had here. And he may have learned a lesson here with the Jets in how to avoid creating cliques.
Regarding Gallant, I always thought he might be a good fit here, although his reputation seems to have lost some polish with how short his coaching tenures have been. Mind you, with pretty good winning percentages. I figure he's the type who's not averse to letting the GM know what he thinks which maybe creates a little friction...I think won't work too well with TN model.
Honestly, I wouldn't mind a p-ohed Keefe on the rebound.
It sure sounds like it's going to be Arniel though in listening to the local scribes, which I would consider a "nice" pick...I like Arniel, I'm just not sure that's the coach we need. He was the PP coach, where was the strategy? There didn't really seem to be any and I don't think that bodes well when as Scheif and Nino say, sometimes adjustments need to be made.
Anyway, the roster needs an overhaul to get more size, grit, skill that is suited for playoff rigours...right now we all know, they just don't have it... so as Tracker says, no coach is going to change that without management's help.
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Post by bigoljetairliner on May 7, 2024 20:44:11 GMT -6
Florida had one of the best regular seasons ever in 21-22. They get swept in the playoffs and mgmt. says sorry coach. Not good enough. Playoffs baby. Playoffs. Maurice's main problem with the Jets was that he hung around too long. If it doesn't click when it counts, move on. Agree, Maurice started out well and had a rather refreshing approach for the first 2 or 3 seasons I thought. Then it was like he became buddy of the core players to the point where those players could specify who they were willing to play with, who should be excluded, etc. and from there he turned into a pretty terrible coach IMO. He's still new to FLA. Well let's face it, he's inherited a much more talented, at least playoff ready team, than he ever had here. And he may have learned a lesson here with the Jets in how to avoid creating cliques.
Regarding Gallant, I always thought he might be a good fit here, although his reputation seems to have lost some polish with how short his coaching tenures have been. Mind you, with pretty good winning percentages. I figure he's the type who's not averse to letting the GM know what he thinks which maybe creates a little friction...I think won't work too well with TN model.
Honestly, I wouldn't mind a p-ohed Keefe on the rebound.
It sure sounds like it's going to be Arniel though in listening to the local scribes, which I would consider a "nice" pick...I like Arniel, I'm just not sure that's the coach we need. He was the PP coach, where was the strategy? There didn't really seem to be any and I don't think that bodes well when as Scheif and Nino say, sometimes adjustments need to be made.
Anyway, the roster needs an overhaul to get more size, grit, skill that is suited for playoff rigours...right now we all know, they just don't have it... so as Tracker says, no coach is going to change that without management's help.
PK coach....but agreed that Arniel will be okay, though possibly not exactly what the team needs. Though I have no idea who would be the best fit, it would be nice to see ownership make a bold move and try to pry unsigned Brind'Amour from the Canes by making a big dollar offer.
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Post by Ric O. on May 7, 2024 20:46:08 GMT -6
Oh yeah, I meant PK coach, well special teams, one was as bad as the other anyway.
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Post by Ric O. on May 7, 2024 21:13:37 GMT -6
It kind of struck me yesterday in the Bowness interview, when he said he told the other coaches after the elimination game that he was done...seemed a lot like the way Maurice went out. Notwithstanding the personal issues he's dealing and dealt with, he basically said he had no answers for how to get better results out of this team, and that was the thing that made walking away (or hanging them up) the obvious thing to do.
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Post by bigoljetairliner on May 7, 2024 21:15:58 GMT -6
It kind of struck me yesterday in the Bowness interview, when he said he told the other coaches after the elimination game that he was done...seemed a lot like the way Maurice went out. Notwithstanding the personal issues he's dealing and dealt with, he basically said he had no answers for how to get better results out of this team, and that was the thing that made walking away (or hanging them up) the obvious thing to do. That could be the case, he seemed certain that he was making the right decision....I would have tried new PP & PK coaches before giving up though
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Post by 2b9 on May 8, 2024 7:26:40 GMT -6
Florida had one of the best regular seasons ever in 21-22. They get swept in the playoffs and mgmt. says sorry coach. Not good enough. Playoffs baby. Playoffs. Maurice's main problem with the Jets was that he hung around too long. If it doesn't click when it counts, move on. Agree, Maurice started out well and had a rather refreshing approach for the first 2 or 3 seasons I thought. Then it was like he became buddy of the core players to the point where those players could specify who they were willing to play with, who should be excluded, etc. and from there he turned into a pretty terrible coach IMO. He's still new to FLA. Well let's face it, he's inherited a much more talented, at least playoff ready team, than he ever had here. And he may have learned a lesson here with the Jets in how to avoid creating cliques.
Regarding Gallant, I always thought he might be a good fit here, although his reputation seems to have lost some polish with how short his coaching tenures have been. Mind you, with pretty good winning percentages. I figure he's the type who's not averse to letting the GM know what he thinks which maybe creates a little friction...I think won't work too well with TN model.
Honestly, I wouldn't mind a p-ohed Keefe on the rebound.
It sure sounds like it's going to be Arniel though in listening to the local scribes, which I would consider a "nice" pick...I like Arniel, I'm just not sure that's the coach we need. He was the PP coach, where was the strategy? There didn't really seem to be any and I don't think that bodes well when as Scheif and Nino say, sometimes adjustments need to be made.
Anyway, the roster needs an overhaul to get more size, grit, skill that is suited for playoff rigours...right now we all know, they just don't have it... so as Tracker says, no coach is going to change that without management's help.
I second everything that you say👍. Cheers, 2b9😉😃👍
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