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Post by Tracker on May 26, 2024 12:13:26 GMT -6
Can see your second point, but not sure what info you are relying on to make your first. The team went 11-5-2 with Arniel behind the bench this season, which is on pace for a 109 pt full season....doesn't seem all that terrible to me. The point I was trying to make was that the three most recent head coaches each produced a flurry of positive statements and improved play followed by an eventual slide back into old habits. Arniel, when subbing for Bowness, produced the same pattern. Piling up a lot of wins in the regular season is fine, but the playoffs are the money shot. Bowness' explosion of frustration at the end of last season was very telling to me, as was Maurice's resignation when he realized that he was beating a dead horse. Since then, it has become very obvious that he is a very good coach, as was Bowness. I leave you to draw your own inferences.
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Post by 2b9 on May 26, 2024 13:06:49 GMT -6
Can see your second point, but not sure what info you are relying on to make your first. The team went 11-5-2 with Arniel behind the bench this season, which is on pace for a 109 pt full season....doesn't seem all that terrible to me. The point I was trying to make was that the three most recent head coaches each produced a flurry of positive statements and improved play followed by an eventual slide back into old habits. Arniel, when subbing for Bowness, produced the same pattern. Piling up a lot of wins in the regular season is fine, but the playoffs are the money shot. Bowness' explosion of frustration at the end of last season was very telling to me, as was Maurice's resignation when he realized that he was beating a dead horse. Since then, it has become very obvious that he is a very good coach, as was Bowness. I leave you to draw your own inferences.ย All very good points on your part. Hopefully things will be different this time around, one can only hope. Cheers, 2b9๐๐๐
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Post by sgtbarnes on May 26, 2024 17:14:18 GMT -6
The common consensus here is to wait and see where he takes the Jets next year.
Like we have a choice?
The only choice to make is whether to pay for a seat for your butt to sit in. From what I see on social media, there is a lot of disenfranchised season ticket holders that are not thrilled by this not very bold move.
Optics are important and I think many wanted to see a much bigger swing than an in-house bump-up of a guy that's been a part of the playoff futility over 2 seasons, and a career assistant for the most part.
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Post by 2b9 on May 26, 2024 17:43:49 GMT -6
The common consensus here is to wait and see where he takes the Jets next year. Like we have a choice? The only choice to make is whether to pay for a seat for your butt to sit in. From what I see on social media, there is a lot of disenfranchised season ticket holders that are not thrilled by this not very bold move. Optics are important and I think many wanted to see a much bigger swing than an in-house bump-up of a guy that's been a part of the playoff futility over 2 seasons, and a career assistant for the most part. As much as I donโt like this hire including others that donโt, letโs give him a chance at this point, judgement can be made at the end of this upcoming season/at the end of the playoffs for the Jets/if they make it to the playoffs, BTW, not saying Jets wonโt make the playoffs, however, you just never know. Regardless of whether they the Jets make the playoffs this upcoming season/I believe they the Jets will, judgment can be made after itโs all said and done, regular season including playoffs. Letโs not judge at this point, itโs way too early to judge, letโs as Jets Fans give it the amount of time required before we judge. And BTW, I hear everything that you say, itโs not falling on deaf ears. Cheers, 2b9๐๐๐
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Post by bigoljetairliner on May 27, 2024 15:25:51 GMT -6
Decided to try & see what systems Arniel has been exposed to throughout his coaching career and wrote the following article on AIH. Won't post it here because it involves 13 images that will take a bit too long to set up, but here is the link: www.arcticicehockey.com/system-options-for-the-winnipeg-jets/If someone likes or suggests a specific type of forecheck, defense, powerplay, or penalty kill in a response on this thread, I will reply with the appropriate graphic so that others here can see what they are suggesting without having to go back to the article. Cheers.
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Post by Ric O. on May 27, 2024 17:34:47 GMT -6
This is a comfort hire. Was he the best candidate c was he just in the right spot at the right time? You hire a guy just because he's already in town might not be the best way to move the team forward. I don't like this. The biggest reason for me is that the last thing this group needs is a coach that they have a comfort level with. The Jets as a team should go into next season being very uncomfortable. If you polled the players as to who they wanted to take over, I'd bet the majority would say Arniel. Change might be uncomfortable. Time will tell, but don't be surprised if this is a big step in reverse. I think he may very well be the best candidate in most areas. I think it's a pretty good hire. But I do get the your idea the players may be to comfortable with him.It is a risk. But he deserves a shot at walking that line .He stands as good a chance at keeping them going properly as any of the other candidates. I don't know if I'd say he deserves a shot, nobody really deserves it IMO, as in nobody is owed it. I say that just from the perspective of winning is the most important thing for this group now so need to go with the best willing candidate available, whoever and wherever that person comes from. But I agree Arniel may be the best guy available.
What gives me some hope, aside from Arniel's years of experience in different systems and situations, is that Bowness set the table for him in terms of holding the guys publicly accountable, and it does not necessarily mean he will have to worry about walking the plank for doing it. It's at the point now where how the players react to that sort of thing tells management who the winners and losers are in that room. What management (whoever that is making the ultimate decisions) does about that composition will probably be more interesting to see than the coaching.
And two new assistants coming in, I think think Arnie's pretty well connected and will surely have large say in who his staff will be...so I agree that there is reason for optimism, at least give him a good length of rope so to not hang him too quick.
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Post by PeakyBlinders on May 27, 2024 19:54:34 GMT -6
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Post by 2b9 on May 27, 2024 20:02:33 GMT -6
Yep, heard that as well from Arniel, I was pleased with that. Cheers, 2b9๐๐๐
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Post by 2b9 on May 27, 2024 20:06:26 GMT -6
I listened to Scott Arnielโs entire press conference today/Tuesday afternoon.
After listening to the full conversation/conference, I am giving him the benefit of the doubt/Scott, he deserves a chance, it sounded good, it sounded like he knows what heโs talking about, letโs give him a chance, letโs see how he does before we judge him, letโs see how it goes.
I take back my previous judgment of this hiring of Scott being not good, I walk it back.
I wish Scott all the success that is possible,
Win the Stanley Cup Jets and Scott.
GO JETS GO๐!
Cheers,
2b9๐๐๐
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Post by babs44 on May 28, 2024 5:18:05 GMT -6
A huge part of this is what assistants he hires.
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Post by 2b9 on May 28, 2024 5:38:33 GMT -6
A huge part of this is what assistants he hires. Agreed๐. Cheers, 2b9๐๐๐
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Post by hillman on May 28, 2024 7:35:06 GMT -6
I think he may very well be the best candidate in most areas. I think it's a pretty good hire. But I do get the your idea the players may be to comfortable with him.It is a risk. But he deserves a shot at walking that line .He stands as good a chance at keeping them going properly as any of the other candidates. I don't know if I'd say he deserves a shot, nobody really deserves it IMO, as in nobody is owed it. I say that just from the perspective of winning is the most important thing for this group now so need to go with the best willing candidate available, whoever and wherever that person comes from. But I agree Arniel may be the best guy available.
What gives me some hope, aside from Arniel's years of experience in different systems and situations, is that Bowness set the table for him in terms of holding the guys publicly accountable, and it does not necessarily mean he will have to worry about walking the plank for doing it. It's at the point now where how the players react to that sort of thing tells management who the winners and losers are in that room. What management (whoever that is making the ultimate decisions) does about that composition will probably be more interesting to see than the coaching.
And two new assistants coming in, I think think Arnie's pretty well connected and will surely have large say in who his staff will be...so I agree that there is reason for optimism, at least give him a good length of rope so to not hang him too quick.
Yes, I phrased that poorly regarding " deserving a shot ". What I was referring to was his qualifications and qualities. Experience, his knowledge of what it took to start turning the team around, how he is thought of around the NHL...... So when comparing him to other candidates I felt he deserved a shot. If you know what I mean.
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Post by hillman on May 28, 2024 7:39:42 GMT -6
I liked Arniel's press conference, and his interviews with, K+R and WST even more. Can he institute what he is saying ? We shall see.
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Post by ddanger on May 28, 2024 7:47:11 GMT -6
This is a comfort hire. Was he the best candidate available or was he just in the right spot at the right time? You hire a guy just because he's already in town might not be the best way to move the team forward. I don't like this. The biggest reason for me is that the last thing this group needs is a coach that they have a comfort level with. The Jets as a team should go into next season being very uncomfortable. If you polled the players as to who they wanted to take over, I'd bet the majority would say Arniel. Change might be uncomfortable. Time will tell, but don't be surprised if this is a big step in reverse. Hope you're wrong....but I think you might be right.
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Post by ddanger on May 28, 2024 7:54:32 GMT -6
Glad to see that a change has been made with the assistant coach Lauer. Also pleased to hear that he's going to use more analytics than before. Which may mean 27 is going to stay. And finally he's going to give some young ELC guys a shot, which hasn't been the norm around here.
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