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Post by hillman on May 28, 2024 10:16:37 GMT -6
Glad to see that a change has been made with the assistant coach Lauer. Also pleased to hear that he's going to use more analytics than before. Which may mean 27 is going to stay. And finally he's going to give some young ELC guys a shot, which hasn't been the norm around here. He addressed young players in some of his conversations. He said while it's important to let young players it's also important to get them in the lineup both for them, the team and cap considerations.
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Post by Tracker on May 28, 2024 13:28:33 GMT -6
A huge part of this is what assistants he hires. Brad Lauer has been sacked, and it would be very telling if we knew whether this was Arniel's choice or at the direction of Cheveldayoff. If it wasn't Arniel's choice, it would bode very poorly for the team as it would confirm Cheveldayoff's meddling.
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Post by 2b9 on May 28, 2024 16:56:04 GMT -6
A huge part of this is what assistants he hires. Brad Lauer has been sacked, and it would be very telling if we knew whether this was Arniel's choice or at the direction of Cheveldayoff. If it wasn't Arniel's choice, it would bode very poorly for the team as it would confirm Cheveldayoff's meddling. We will probably never know, however though, heโs gone, and itโs a good start. Cheers, 2b9๐๐๐
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Post by Ric O. on May 28, 2024 19:50:39 GMT -6
I don't know if I'd say he deserves a shot, nobody really deserves it IMO, as in nobody is owed it. I say that just from the perspective of winning is the most important thing for this group now so need to go with the best willing candidate available, whoever and wherever that person comes from. But I agree Arniel may be the best guy available.
What gives me some hope, aside from Arniel's years of experience in different systems and situations, is that Bowness set the table for him in terms of holding the guys publicly accountable, and it does not necessarily mean he will have to worry about walking the plank for doing it. It's at the point now where how the players react to that sort of thing tells management who the winners and losers are in that room. What management (whoever that is making the ultimate decisions) does about that composition will probably be more interesting to see than the coaching.
And two new assistants coming in, I think think Arnie's pretty well connected and will surely have large say in who his staff will be...so I agree that there is reason for optimism, at least give him a good length of rope so to not hang him too quick.
Yes, I phrased that poorly regarding " deserving a shot ". What I was referring to was his qualifications and qualities. Experience, his knowledge of what it took to start turning the team around, how he is thought of around the NHL...... So when comparing him to other candidates I felt he deserved a shot. If you know what I mean. Right, I understand what you mean, and I agree with you.
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Post by Ric O. on May 28, 2024 20:37:59 GMT -6
Glad to see that a change has been made with the assistant coach Lauer. Also pleased to hear that he's going to use more analytics than before. Which may mean 27 is going to stay. And finally he's going to give some young ELC guys a shot, which hasn't been the norm around here. Interesting connection you make between analytics and Ehlers and what a difference it could have been made to his career here if this would have been done 5 years ago (assuming it wasn't, at least not to the extent it could have and should have). Timing is unfortunate to start that experiment now as he's heading into his UFA year.
My feeling on Ehlers though, I know he shines in analytics in the ways of possession, even defensive stats; I see him now as being too established here as a square peg in a team of round holes and his game just looks so individual most of the time. I think it's not easy to find players here that want him on their line for whatever reason...especially Scheif. He doesn't really seem to fit anywhere in our roster (although he may fit best with Monahan if he re-signs here). To top it off, his playoff contributions are so pathetic for a player of his talent and ability.
I think a fresh start somewhere else will show us the brilliance that it seems will never realized here...unfortunate but hoping we can get a bit of a haul for him. I listened to a Red Wings youtube show and they thought Ehlers would be the perfect fit for what they needed in their top 6, but were also thinking they didn't have the high calibre D-man we'd need in return to acquire him. Which makes me believe Nik would be a pretty hot commodity in general and we should be able to get a good return for him. Maybe that's the best way to go. (As sad as I am to see a player this good go...as I was and still am when they traded Laine!)
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Post by lenny on May 28, 2024 20:57:54 GMT -6
Pretty hard to talk s@#t about Ehlers. Was a minus player (-2) once in his career. Plus 27 this year. Had a career year. Usually happens when a player is approaching their UFA year. Except for as we all know he's a flop and failure in the playoffs. Time to shine instead of sinking to anonymity. The problem is teams targeted him in the playoffs. The physicality effectively neutralized his free wheeling and open ice style.
Trade bait. Need strong dmen especially if we lose Dillon.
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Post by Ric O. on May 28, 2024 21:10:04 GMT -6
Pretty hard to talk s@#t about Ehlers. Was a minus player (-2) once in his career. Plus 27 this year. Had a career year. Usually happens when a player is approaching their UFA year. Except for as we all know he's a flop and failure in the playoffs. Time to shine instead of sinking to anonymity. The problem is teams targeted him in the playoffs. The physicality effectively neutralized his free wheeling and open ice style. Trade bait. Need strong dmen especially if we lose Dillon. Agree...I don't think anyone could ever accuse him of mailing it in...he plays with more heart than most of our guys, even crazily threw down the gloves a few times. IF he's eventually traded like Murat and others think, I think there will be a lot of reflection that the team failed somehow in not appreciating what he can do...seemed to illogically bridle what he does best.
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Post by babs44 on May 29, 2024 12:26:40 GMT -6
Glad to see that a change has been made with the assistant coach Lauer. Also pleased to hear that he's going to use more analytics than before. Which may mean 27 is going to stay. And finally he's going to give some young ELC guys a shot, which hasn't been the norm around here. Interesting connection you make between analytics and Ehlers and what a difference it could have been made to his career here if this would have been done 5 years ago (assuming it wasn't, at least not to the extent it could have and should have). Timing is unfortunate to start that experiment now as he's heading into his UFA year.
My feeling on Ehlers though, I know he shines in analytics in the ways of possession, even defensive stats; I see him now as being too established here as a square peg in a team of round holes and his game just looks so individual most of the time. I think it's not easy to find players here that want him on their line for whatever reason...especially Scheif. He doesn't really seem to fit anywhere in our roster (although he may fit best with Monahan if he re-signs here). To top it off, his playoff contributions are so pathetic for a player of his talent and ability. I think a fresh start somewhere else will show us the brilliance that it seems will never realized here...unfortunate but hoping we can get a bit of a haul for him. I listened to a Red Wings youtube show and they thought Ehlers would be the perfect fit for what they needed in their top 6, but were also thinking they didn't have the high calibre D-man we'd need in return to acquire him. Which makes me believe Nik would be a pretty hot commodity in general and we should be able to get a good return for him. Maybe that's the best way to go. (As sad as I am to see a player this good go...as I was and still am when they traded Laine!)
The Jets don't need a top D in return (yes they need one). Take picks prospects and cash then sign a FA D man.
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Post by Ric O. on May 29, 2024 17:37:22 GMT -6
Interesting connection you make between analytics and Ehlers and what a difference it could have been made to his career here if this would have been done 5 years ago (assuming it wasn't, at least not to the extent it could have and should have). Timing is unfortunate to start that experiment now as he's heading into his UFA year.
My feeling on Ehlers though, I know he shines in analytics in the ways of possession, even defensive stats; I see him now as being too established here as a square peg in a team of round holes and his game just looks so individual most of the time. I think it's not easy to find players here that want him on their line for whatever reason...especially Scheif. He doesn't really seem to fit anywhere in our roster (although he may fit best with Monahan if he re-signs here). To top it off, his playoff contributions are so pathetic for a player of his talent and ability. I think a fresh start somewhere else will show us the brilliance that it seems will never realized here...unfortunate but hoping we can get a bit of a haul for him. I listened to a Red Wings youtube show and they thought Ehlers would be the perfect fit for what they needed in their top 6, but were also thinking they didn't have the high calibre D-man we'd need in return to acquire him. Which makes me believe Nik would be a pretty hot commodity in general and we should be able to get a good return for him. Maybe that's the best way to go. (As sad as I am to see a player this good go...as I was and still am when they traded Laine!)
The Jets don't need a top D in return (yes they need one). Take picks prospects and cash then sign a FA D man. Agree in principle, but Jets never seem to be able to find top end players on the FA market...seems a whole lot more feasible for them to acquire, acclimate and retain.
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Post by Tracker on May 30, 2024 2:03:04 GMT -6
Pretty hard to talk s@#t about Ehlers. Was a minus player (-2) once in his career. Plus 27 this year. Had a career year. Usually happens when a player is approaching their UFA year. Except for as we all know he's a flop and failure in the playoffs. Time to shine instead of sinking to anonymity. The problem is teams targeted him in the playoffs. The physicality effectively neutralized his free wheeling and open ice style. Trade bait. Need strong dmen especially if we lose Dillon. Agree...I don't think anyone could ever accuse him of mailing it in...he plays with more heart than most of our guys, even crazily threw down the gloves a few times. IF he's eventually traded like Murat and others think, I think there will be a lot of reflection that the team failed somehow in not appreciating what he can do...seemed to illogically bridle what he does best. Whatever ails the Jets, it is not and has not been Ehlers. He is not a Gretzky-Crosby-Lemieux who is capable of putting his team on his back and carrying it to championships. He will be an excellent supporting cast member for someone like a Connor Bedard, but here he is a bad fit.
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Post by 2b9 on May 30, 2024 5:15:22 GMT -6
Agree...I don't think anyone could ever accuse him of mailing it in...he plays with more heart than most of our guys, even crazily threw down the gloves a few times.ย IF he's eventually traded like Murat and others think, I think there will be a lot of reflection that the team failed somehow in not appreciating what he can do...seemed to illogically bridle what he does best. Whatever ails the Jets, it is not and has not been Ehlers. He is not a Gretzky-Crosby-Lemieux who is capable of putting his team on his back and carrying it to championships. He will be an excellent supporting cast member for someone like a Connor Bedard, but here he is a bad fit.ย Itโs hard to say if he is a bad fit here, itโs not like he is only producing 35-40 points per season, and yep, heโs not had success playoffs wise, not sure why on that. Cheers, 2b9๐๐๐
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Post by sgtbarnes on Jun 1, 2024 11:03:05 GMT -6
Saying the right things. Newly appointed head coaches do that. A more progressive style of coaching will help. But to me, it's on Chevy more than ever. When I watch the level of commitment from the top players battling in the final 4, I'm left even more disappointed. These guys don't need a coach to push them. They are all in. We simply need more players like that. As constructed, the Jets are not a serious contender. It's more on the GM than the coach to close the gap.
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Post by 2b9 on Jun 1, 2024 14:28:53 GMT -6
Saying the right things. Newly appointed head coaches do that. A more progressive style of coaching will help. But to me, it's on Chevy more than ever. When I watch the level of commitment from the top players battling in the final 4, I'm left even more disappointed. These guys don't need a coach to push them. They are all in. We simply need more players like that. As constructed, the Jets are not a serious contender. It's more on the GM than the coach to close the gap. As Iโve said before, Chevy will be on the hot seat this upcoming season, if the Jets make the playoffs and donโt have a successful playoff run, something will have to give, I predict most likely a change at the GM position/Chevy gone, if the Jets donโt make the playoffs, I predict that Chevy will be gone shortly thereafter the regular season ends. Iโm not saying that Chevy is a bad GM, he has done some good things/work for the Jets, however, at some point, very little success playoff(s) wise gets you fired. He is definitely going to be on the hot seat this upcoming season. Cheers, 2b9๐๐๐
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Post by Tracker on Jun 1, 2024 15:22:42 GMT -6
Saying the right things. Newly appointed head coaches do that. A more progressive style of coaching will help. But to me, it's on Chevy more than ever. When I watch the level of commitment from the top players battling in the final 4, I'm left even more disappointed. These guys don't need a coach to push them. They are all in. We simply need more players like that. As constructed, the Jets are not a serious contender. It's more on the GM than the coach to close the gap. As Iโve said before, Chevy will be on the hot seat this upcoming season, if the Jets make the playoffs and donโt have a successful playoff run, something will have to give, I predict most likely a change at the GM position/Chevy gone, if the Jets donโt make the playoffs, I predict that Chevy will be gone shortly thereafter the regular season ends. Iโm not saying that Chevy is a bad GM, he has done some good things/work for the Jets, however, at some point, very little success playoff(s) wise gets you fired. He is definitely going to be on the hot seat this upcoming season. Cheers, 2b9๐๐๐ Cheveldayoff has done some things well and some things poorly- the perfect definition of mediocre. I am not certain why he would be fired after yet another mediocre season- he managed to threaten fans into filling the seats again and produced a team that gave the illusion of being a challenger, so why would they fire him? The only scenario might be if the team tanked early again for an extended stretch this fall.
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Post by 2b9 on Jun 1, 2024 16:18:48 GMT -6
As Iโve said before, Chevy will be on the hot seat this upcoming season, if the Jets make the playoffs and donโt have a successful playoff run, something will have to give, I predict most likely a change at the GM position/Chevy gone, if the Jets donโt make the playoffs, I predict that Chevy will be gone shortly thereafter the regular season ends. Iโm not saying that Chevy is a bad GM, he has done some good things/work for the Jets, however, at some point, very little success playoff(s) wise gets you fired. He is definitely going to be on the hot seat this upcoming season. Cheers, 2b9๐๐๐ Cheveldayoff has done some things well and some things poorly- the perfect definition of mediocre. I am not certain why he would be fired after yet another mediocre season- he managed to threaten fans into filling the seats again and produced a team that gave the illusion of being a challenger, so why would they fire him? The only scenario might be if the team tanked early again for an extended stretch this fall. Chevy did no threatening to fans on filling seats, you might possibly be thinking of our Owner. Anyway, this upcoming season for the Jets is hot seat time for Chevy, prolonged non-success playoffs means one thing, time to be fired, and go a different direction GM wise, Ownership knows that as well. Ownership wants to win the Stanley Cup as well as anyone else does. Cheers, 2b9๐๐๐
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