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Post by hillman on Jun 13, 2024 10:30:46 GMT -6
Arniel on Frankly Speaking
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Post by ekjet72 on Jun 13, 2024 14:17:29 GMT -6
Arniel on Frankly Speaking well Arniel said all the right things. Words are cheap. Outcomes that he wants,that we all want, will be way more difficult. Lastly one of the more important things was left to the end and only thrown out at that. There was an acknowledgement that the young players be a part of the team. And he cited the Stars success. Well asking for all your R&UFA to come back puts a stopper in the transition from being a Moose star to a Jets player. Something has to give. Arniel started as an 18 yo with V1.0. A few of the Moose could do the same, if given the chance.
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Post by 2b9 on Jun 13, 2024 16:19:16 GMT -6
Arniel on Frankly Speaking Thanks for this hillmanπ. Cheers, 2b9πππ
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Post by PeakyBlinders on Jun 13, 2024 23:40:25 GMT -6
Arniel on Frankly Speaking well Arniel said all the right things. Words are cheap. Outcomes that he wants,that we all want, will be way more difficult. Lastly one of the more important things was left to the end and only thrown out at that. There was an acknowledgement that the young players be a part of the team. And he cited the Stars success. Well asking for all your R&UFA to come back puts a stopper in the transition from being a Moose star to a Jets player. Something has to give. Arniel started as an 18 yo with V1.0. A few of the Moose could do the same, if given the chance. In a salary cap system, you HAVE to have younger players on the roster and they also bring new energy. Keeps the team from being stale.
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Post by shakinallover on Jun 15, 2024 11:47:35 GMT -6
Unless Chipman starts to run this like a professional sports franchise and stops putting loyalty to players as his priority then Chevy and Arniel are both as handcuffed as has been the norm. Maurice gave up and rightly so. Now that he has a management team above him that put winning above all else he's in a Stanley cup final. Even Edmonton finally got some good management and stocked up on players that perform in the playoffs. It is well past the time to trade away players who don't have the grit and mental toughness. Perfetti, Ehlers, Monahan, Appleton, Gus, etc.or any other player that skates by a chance to hit an opponent. There's always plenty of tough grinder type UFAs that are affordable and are looking to prove they're still able. This team is nowhere near nasty and mean enough to win a cup.
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Post by 2b9 on Jun 17, 2024 11:56:33 GMT -6
Breaking News from Illegal Curve, see below:
Winnipeg Jets add Davis Payne as an assistant coach.
And now we have a second name.
By David Minuk:
June 17, 2024
We reported earlier today that word came from Elliotte Friedman that the Jets could be adding Dean Chynoweth to the fold and now Darren Dreger confirmed that hire and added that the team had also hired Davis Payne.
Payne is a BC product who was drafted by the Oilers back in 1989 (7th round). He played 22 NHL games with the Bruins before he made the switch to coaching. After starting in the ECHL and spending three seasons in the AHL he has been in the NHL as an assistant for the last 15 years ending with the Senators last season.
Cheers,
2b9πππ
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Post by bigoljetairliner on Jun 17, 2024 12:00:54 GMT -6
Can't say I know anything about either really, but Chynoweth ran the 23rd best PK in the NHL last season (Leafs) so that's one negative. Guessing Payne is a PP coach then and the Sens' had the 9th worst man-advantage unit in the league last season (worse than the Jets)...another negative.
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Post by 2b9 on Jun 17, 2024 12:05:54 GMT -6
Can't say I know anything about either really, but Chynoweth ran the 23rd best PK in the NHL last season (Leafs) so that's one negative. Guessing Payne is a PP coach then and the Sens' had the 9th worst man-advantage unit in the league last season (worse than the Jets)...another negative. Here is some more information on Payne, this comes from Illegal Curve, see below: He made the jump to the NHL with the Blues going from their AHL club to the NHL back in 2009-10. He spent three seasons as head coach of St. Louis before he moved on to join the Kings staff for five years which including winning a Stanley Cup on the 2013-14 team. He would head to Buffalo to join the Sabres for two seasons before ending up in Ottawa the last five years. Cheers, 2b9
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Post by 2b9 on Jun 17, 2024 12:34:00 GMT -6
BTW all:
Full article on both New Jets Coaching additions can also be seen on TSN.
Cheers,
2b9πππ
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Post by bigoljetairliner on Jun 17, 2024 14:25:53 GMT -6
Some good info about the new coaches from a comment on AIH (ForgetTeemu):
Not sure if this is Payne's doing entirely but the Ottawa power play last 5 years (https://www.covers.com/sport/hockey/nhl/statistics/team-powerplay/2018-2019): 2023-2024 - 10th worst 2022-2023 - 10th best 2021-2022 -- 13th worst 2020-2021 -- worst 2019-2021 -- 13th best
So a range of a bit better than middling to worst.
Illegal Curve added this about Chynoweth: He ran the PK for the Hurricanes (8th, 4th, 3rd) and Leafs (8th, 12th, 23rd). Better than Payne's numbers at least.
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Post by ekjet72 on Jun 17, 2024 19:03:35 GMT -6
Some good info about the new coaches from a comment on AIH (ForgetTeemu): Not sure if this is Payne's doing entirely but the Ottawa power play last 5 years (https://www.covers.com/sport/hockey/nhl/statistics/team-powerplay/2018-2019): 2023-2024 - 10th worst 2022-2023 - 10th best 2021-2022 -- 13th worst 2020-2021 -- worst 2019-2021 -- 13th best So a range of a bit better than middling to worst. Illegal Curve added this about Chynoweth: He ran the PK for the Hurricanes (8th, 4th, 3rd) and Leafs (8th, 12th, 23rd). Better than Payne's numbers at least. The results of their previous work are so "meh" one wonders are these gentlemen friends or family?
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Post by 2b9 on Jun 17, 2024 20:27:11 GMT -6
Some good info about the new coaches from a comment on AIH (ForgetTeemu): Not sure if this is Payne's doing entirely but the Ottawa power play last 5 years (https://www.covers.com/sport/hockey/nhl/statistics/team-powerplay/2018-2019): 2023-2024 - 10th worst 2022-2023 - 10th best 2021-2022 -- 13th worst 2020-2021 -- worst 2019-2021 -- 13th best So a range of a bit better than middling to worst. Illegal Curve added this about Chynoweth: He ran the PK for the Hurricanes (8th, 4th, 3rd) and Leafs (8th, 12th, 23rd). Better than Payne's numbers at least. The results of their previous work are so "meh" one wonders are these gentlemen friends or family? Letβs not judge now, judgment shall be made at the end of the next upcoming season including the playoffs, if the Jets make the playoffs. Letβs see how things go before we place judgment, letβs see how this all plays out before we judge. The next upcoming season has not started yet, reserve judgment until the end of the upcoming regular season including playoffs thereafter. Hopefully this makes sense to all. Just my thoughts and opinion. Cheers, 2b9πππ
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Post by Ric O. on Jun 17, 2024 21:17:03 GMT -6
Some good info about the new coaches from a comment on AIH (ForgetTeemu): Not sure if this is Payne's doing entirely but the Ottawa power play last 5 years (https://www.covers.com/sport/hockey/nhl/statistics/team-powerplay/2018-2019): 2023-2024 - 10th worst 2022-2023 - 10th best 2021-2022 -- 13th worst 2020-2021 -- worst 2019-2021 -- 13th best So a range of a bit better than middling to worst. Illegal Curve added this about Chynoweth: He ran the PK for the Hurricanes (8th, 4th, 3rd) and Leafs (8th, 12th, 23rd). Better than Payne's numbers at least. The results of their previous work are so "meh" one wonders are these gentlemen friends or family? Yeah best you can do is look at the numbers and make your best guess of probable future results. It seems like it must have been a pretty shallow pool of assistants with NHL resumes to choose from. Probably afraid to risk skimming the minor leagues and getting burned choosing a guy who's not ready.
I have no idea who's available that could be better. Like who aside from the Oilers would have guessed a guy like Mark Stuart would turn out to be the PK genius he apparently is? (although still relatively small sample size)
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Post by hillman on Jun 18, 2024 5:30:48 GMT -6
I know nothing about the new guys but I'm always curious about how much actual control and effect the assistant coaches have over the special teams they are running. How much of a PP +PK "style" is controlled by the head coach ? Who chooses the players ? Does it make a difference if the special teams coach is an " Associate coach "? Are some Head coaches hands off and others deeply involved ? Do GMs and management stick their dirty little noses in where they don't belong ? You never really hear this discussed much.
On the new hirings I'll wait to judge. I'm not blown away by the Assistant hirings but on the other hand I cant recall ever being blown away by any Assistant hiring lol . I do think alot of their records depend on what team they were coaching. Who their head coaches were. Who they had for a goalie on PK......
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Post by hillman on Jun 18, 2024 6:04:21 GMT -6
By the way BOJA I liked your article on systems at AIH
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