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Post by Lions67 on Oct 25, 2011 12:21:02 GMT -6
No. The negativity coming out of your mouth is a problem. Personal attacks, (trolling,) doesn't help your argument... thats rich coming from you!.... i guess a troll would know a troll eh?... unfortunatly, myusernamesucks isnt a troll. but you sure are. why are you even here? yourwinnipegjets.com to dead for you? |
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Post by NHLWinnipeg on Oct 25, 2011 12:23:23 GMT -6
It's been discussed on other threads, (most notably the Heisinger thread,) that many in the Jets' organization, mostly former Moose employees, have a distinctly negative attitude about the Jets and being at the NHL level now. Heisinger has been very openly negative about the Jets' name, the fans, (blaming us on the team moving,) and to a degree, his job. (Even though chipman PROMOTED him yet again in spite of the fact that he has no credentials other than knowing the players' jock sizes.) Is this type of negativity trickling down to the players? The initial enthusiasm seems to be lacking right now. One question about your initial post that puzzles me. This line: "that many in the Jets' organization, mostly former Moose employees, have a distinctly negative attitude about the Jets and being at the NHL level now." That's the first time I've heard or read that MANY people in the current Jets organization have a distinctly negative attitude about the Jets and NHL. That has not been discussed or mentioned here or anywhere else that I am aware of. Agreed that Heisinger has been a bit of a 'downer' with some of his comments, but feel your OP is sensationalizing or exaggerating this a bit. Sure is managing to get a response though. |
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Post by Tim on Oct 25, 2011 12:38:54 GMT -6
There's no arguement to be made - the Moose were a great AHL team on and off the ice. But it doesn't change the fact that attendance is now double even though prices are triple... Obviously the NHL is not only a better product, but one that at least 95% of the city is far more passionate about. But back to the original arguement... would we have the NHL without the AHL? Who knows, it certainly didn't hurt anyways but I would say the point is that's in the past. What good does it do to honor the Moose? Let's Honor the Ice Caps if anything... because the point remains that most people are far, far happier with the Jets than the Moose. I would even argue that the Jets are better in some ways for people who can't afford tickets. At least every game is televised so 30 games are free and 50 can be seen for $10 a month, 6 months a year. People who really don't have a lot of money can take part in the Jets more so than the Moose. Obviously average families can't afford to go to as many games, so there is give and take. I agree, I just don't understand the way people still have to dump on the Moose for some reason. They filled a void and did very well in their time here. Don't mistake my comments with bashing the Moose, they filled a void for some people, this is very true, but not for all of us. It was not my cup of tea, but that is my personnel opinion! Thats not dumbing on the Moose. |
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Post by slinky on Oct 25, 2011 13:27:11 GMT -6
I, for one, miss the Moose. They provided good, cheap family entertainment. My sons participated in many Moose sponsered activities, i.e., 50/50 , Timbits hockey etc. There is very little chance that I will attend a Jets game in the near future, but Moose tix were always available. I can understand how some people feel this way. A WHL team in time could fill this void. Personally, I'd rather watch 1 NHL Jets game on TV than 10 AHL Moose games in person. The NHL buzz factor is that much better and it is not solely due to the differences in the quality of play. The NHL is just a much bigger stage. Let's see if I can put my thoughts down correctly. I could take my family to a Moose game for approx $100.00. My sons grew up watching the Moose, getting autographs, meeting players etc. They watched their favorite Moose players on TV playing for the Nucks. They will not get a chance to watch the Jets in person for a long time. Ergo, no chance to develop an emotional attachment. The adults get it. The kids don't. Just my 2 cents worth. |
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Post by lovethejets on Oct 25, 2011 13:53:22 GMT -6
I can understand how some people feel this way. A WHL team in time could fill this void. Personally, I'd rather watch 1 NHL Jets game on TV than 10 AHL Moose games in person. The NHL buzz factor is that much better and it is not solely due to the differences in the quality of play. The NHL is just a much bigger stage. Let's see if I can put my thoughts down correctly. I could take my family to a Moose game for approx $100.00. My sons grew up watching the Moose, getting autographs, meeting players etc. They watched their favorite Moose players on TV playing for the Nucks. They will not get a chance to watch the Jets in person for a long time. Ergo, no chance to develop an emotional attachment. The adults get it. The kids don't. Just my 2 cents worth. I don't agree....my kids (ages 11 and 14) are all over the Jets...favorite teams were the canucks and the avalanche but that has all changed....now its the Jets...they can sense my passion and they share it. The Moose were low grade talent and they are gone. Winnipeg has stepped up and shown that they want the high level of talent and they are willing to pay for it. I celebrate True North's passion to get back to the big leagues. The only concern I had from day 1 is are the Jets using too much minor league talent starting with Heisinger and then Noel? These guys are NHL rookies at best and, in Noel's case, there is a huge responsibility. Should we have started with a more seasoned coach for a new team with so much youth? Time will tell but I have thought that from the announcement. |
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Post by jetsorbust on Oct 25, 2011 13:54:05 GMT -6
I can understand how some people feel this way. A WHL team in time could fill this void. Personally, I'd rather watch 1 NHL Jets game on TV than 10 AHL Moose games in person. The NHL buzz factor is that much better and it is not solely due to the differences in the quality of play. The NHL is just a much bigger stage. Let's see if I can put my thoughts down correctly. I could take my family to a Moose game for approx $100.00. My sons grew up watching the Moose, getting autographs, meeting players etc. They watched their favorite Moose players on TV playing for the Nucks. They will not get a chance to watch the Jets in person for a long time. Ergo, no chance to develop an emotional attachment. The adults get it. The kids don't. Just my 2 cents worth. I still think a WHL team could fill that void. IE you could take the whole family to see Scheifele play a few times this year. And if we had our own team, there would likely be a few prospects in any given year playing for the team. Throw in even 1 game a year with the Jets and a bunch on TV. Obviously it's not perfect but if your kids are excited to watch Canucks hockey just to see former Moose players, I can't see why they wouldn't be excited to watch Jets hockey on TV. |
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Post by pachman40 on Oct 25, 2011 13:55:10 GMT -6
I can understand how some people feel this way. A WHL team in time could fill this void. Personally, I'd rather watch 1 NHL Jets game on TV than 10 AHL Moose games in person. The NHL buzz factor is that much better and it is not solely due to the differences in the quality of play. The NHL is just a much bigger stage. Let's see if I can put my thoughts down correctly. I could take my family to a Moose game for approx $100.00. My sons grew up watching the Moose, getting autographs, meeting players etc. They watched their favorite Moose players on TV playing for the Nucks. They will not get a chance to watch the Jets in person for a long time. Ergo, no chance to develop an emotional attachment. The adults get it. The kids don't. Just my 2 cents worth. I don't hate the Moose, I went to the odd game and enjoyed myself with my wife and kids but I never developed that emotional attachment and neither did my kids. It was seen as a nice family night out but there was no craziness. Now, when the Jets are on tv, my kids plop themselves on the couch, cheer like savages, and freak out. Obviously part of that is the novelty, but you're telling me that my 13 and 9 year old girls aren't developing a lot stronger emotional attachment to these guys? Even my 3 year old sits down for a solid couple of hours with us, that's crazy! I understand where people are coming from, but the NHL is the big leagues and there's a lot more draw to them than watching good affordable entertainment. As far as the negativity, I don't see it being an issue...and if Zinger becomes too much of a Debby Downer I'm sure someone higher-up will step in before it becomes an organization-wide problem. Not worried in the least. |
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Post by bigchris on Oct 25, 2011 13:57:31 GMT -6
Since the Jets are now on TV all the time on their own cable channel kids have a chance to see the Jets more than my generation EVER did. (Few road games were televised back in the day unless we were in Montreal or Toronto which was maybe once a year each.) I don't buy the "family of 4" argument because how many of us went to Jet games with the whole family back in the day? The Jets were and are for the most hardcore hockey fans. The Moose were for the soccer moms who will find something else for their kids anyway.
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Post by slinky on Oct 25, 2011 14:03:23 GMT -6
My kids will miss the in game experience of Moose games. The Moose were more family oriented than I assume the Jets are. My sons are 7, 10 & 12 so they're maybe a bit young to appreciate the NHL. We watch games on TV whenever possible so hopefully the boys will grow to love the Jets as much as I do. I LOVE THE JETS, but I still miss the Moose.
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Post by roo604 on Oct 25, 2011 15:04:51 GMT -6
Personal attacks, (trolling,) doesn't help your argument... thats rich coming from you!.... i guess a troll would know a troll eh?... unfortunatly, myusernamesucks isnt a troll. but you sure are. why are you even here? yourwinnipegjets.com to dead for you? I am happy to have bigchris here, after all the nice things he's said about the Jetsowner folks in the past... |
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Post by hacky666 on Oct 25, 2011 15:18:03 GMT -6
I agree, I just don't understand the way people still have to dump on the Moose for some reason. They filled a void and did very well in their time here. Don't mistake my comments with bashing the Moose, they filled a void for some people, this is very true, but not for all of us. It was not my cup of tea, but that is my personnel opinion! Thats not dumbing on the Moose. Maybe that's what I'm, finding misleading  ?.  |
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Post by USApegger on Oct 25, 2011 15:31:55 GMT -6
Personal attacks, (trolling,) doesn't help your argument... thats rich coming from you!.... i guess a troll would know a troll eh?... unfortunatly, myusernamesucks isnt a troll. but you sure are. why are you even here? yourwinnipegjets.com to dead for you? They were so welcoming there weren't they? lol |
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Post by jetsorbust on Oct 25, 2011 15:35:50 GMT -6
Don't mistake my comments with bashing the Moose, they filled a void for some people, this is very true, but not for all of us. It was not my cup of tea, but that is my personnel opinion! Thats not dumbing on the Moose. Maybe that's what I'm, finding misleading ?. I think the best way I can sum up how I feel about the Moose is this: I'm glad they were here... but I'm more glad they're gone. They obviously helped TNSE along it's path, it couldn't have hurt them to make NHL contacts and learn to run a pro hockey team but the arena and TNSE's hard work is what brought back the Jets, not the Moose themselves. |
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Post by hacky666 on Oct 25, 2011 15:49:52 GMT -6
I guess it's just the way that you emphasize your comments thenMaybe that's what I'm, finding misleading ?. I think the best way I can sum up how I feel about the Moose is this: I'm glad they were here... but I'm more glad they're gone. They obviously helped TNSE along it's path, it couldn't have hurt them to make NHL contacts and learn to run a pro hockey team but the arena and TNSE's hard work is what brought back the Jets, not the Moose themselves. Why have you quoted my post to another poster and used bolded text to emphasize your response |
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Post by maniaaron on Oct 25, 2011 15:50:28 GMT -6
Heisinger is the biggest troll ever and a total small man overcompensate egomaniac His true colors have been exposed please inform me what he ( zinger ) did to be exposed as a troll ? |
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