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Post by NHLWinnipeg on Sept 27, 2016 22:39:07 GMT -6
Let him sit for as long as necessary to get the best possible deal. BPD = something as good or better than Trouba. I can't say I'd be disappointed if he doesn't play in the NHL for a long time!
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Post by Tim on Sept 28, 2016 5:18:27 GMT -6
Sometimes good people get bad advise from the people they think are looking out for there best interest, ask Ladd about that, then pride takes over and you really end up screwing yourself.
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Post by Grumpz on Sept 28, 2016 8:18:32 GMT -6
Sometimes good people get bad advise from the people they think are looking out for there best interest, ask Ladd about that, then pride takes over and you really end up screwing yourself. Ladd hit a home run. He did the right thing, for him and his family, anyway. Posted w/ Grumpz D-vice
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Post by gforce on Sept 28, 2016 8:24:19 GMT -6
I say move him asap. The distraction gone, move forward with new player(s).
That said, I dont think you can get an equal D man for Trouba. Teams wanting to improve their D likely won't give up good young D. Trade him for a forward (Tatar, etc...) Then flip Little or someone for a D man. This would expedite the process, and get the team back to normal (what ever that is?).
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Post by Tim on Sept 28, 2016 8:47:36 GMT -6
Sometimes good people get bad advise from the people they think are looking out for there best interest, ask Ladd about that, then pride takes over and you really end up screwing yourself. Ladd hit a home run. He did the right thing, for him and his family, anyway. Posted w/ Grumpz D-vice Did he, he now sells his 1/2 to 3/4 million dollar home now to purchase one for 3 to 5 mill to suit his family's needs, he uprooted his family one thing he didn't want to do, long as he kept living in Canada his pay cheque was 25 to 30% more because they are paid in US dollars, It will cost him triple out there to live the same lifestyle he did in Winnipeg that apparently he enjoyed...... Things people don't think of, the only thing he has going for him is a better tax structure..
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Post by djk on Sept 28, 2016 8:50:33 GMT -6
I think the question is let him sit forever to send a message or let him sit until someone offers us a top 4 calibre LHD. I'm in the latter camp. If Ekman-Larson, Hamonic, Lindholm, Reilly, Maatta or something is the offer then the Jets should consider it. If its Hanifin +, Klefbom +, Nurse + then the Jets should evaluate it.
If we don't get a good offer than just let him sit out as long as needed. Too bad for him, he brought it on himself.
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Post by Grumpz on Sept 28, 2016 8:53:03 GMT -6
I think the question is let him sit forever to send a message or let him sit until someone offers us a top 4 calibre LHD. I'm in the latter camp. If Ekman-Larson, Hamonic, Lindholm, Reilly, Maatta or something is the offer then the Jets should consider it. If its Hanifin +, Klefbom +, Nurse + then the Jets should evaluate it. If we don't get a good offer than just let him sit out as long as needed. Too bad for him, he brought it on himself. That's the logical thought. I can't imagine Chevy not taking calls just to teach UFAs a lesson, now or futures. Posted w/ Grumpz D-vice
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Post by lenny on Sept 28, 2016 9:05:42 GMT -6
I believe in messages being sent and deterrence. He's an asset but a diminished asset because what will be perceived as a certain "attitude" of self-worth. Plus his attachment to a draconian agent:
(1) What message does this send to young talent toiling in the AHL when not even a top five draft pick asset takes the position they deserve special consideration and take the ultimate tact in wanting to be traded from the franchise after their ELC is over: 'I think I deserve to be playing in the NHL. Why am I not being given a chance? If I had minutes like him I'd relish it and be overjoyed.' etc.
(2) Value is not just in trade bait it is in sending general messages about this franchise. Are the Jets a pushover now if the Jets simply cede to this kid's demands? It's important that Chevy send a message out about this franchise. We draft you, we expect you will invest your time in the franchise as we invest in you. You spent 1 year in the NCAA and you were moved immediately into a prominent position on this team. That wasn't good enough for you. This is not a good precedent.
(3) I would wholly be behind this team sitting this kid for a very long time because what assets you get in return will never equal the message being sent that the Jets, a small market franchise, are pushovers. Further, that the assets you have of those working in the AHL and investing their time WILL be rewarded rather than considered an afterthought to a spoiled brat. Long term investment in our brand as a no nonsense franchise to me is of much more value than ceding to the whims of a problem agent and his problem client.
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Post by ddanger on Sept 28, 2016 9:07:18 GMT -6
It's definitely a balancing act. Like raising children....a decision you make with one provided a precedent for the others. Therefore, I am in the camp of letting him sit. He's already sat since May, obviously Chevy didn't get and offers at the draft that were worth taking. Lawless reported last night during the game that the Jets offered him top pairing with Buff, and he turned it down and demanded a trade??!! That's arrogance man, and I think the parent ( Chevy ) has to show him who's in charge and teach him a lesson. Otherwise all our draft picks are going to think they can pull the same bull poop.
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Post by ddanger on Sept 28, 2016 9:09:42 GMT -6
I believe in messages being sent and deterrence. He's an asset but a diminished asset because what will be perceived as a certain "attitude" of self-worth. Plus his attachment to a draconian agent: (1) What message does this send to young talent toiling in the AHL when not even a top five draft pick asset takes the position they deserve special consideration and take the ultimate tact in wanting to be traded from the franchise after their ELC is over: 'I think I deserve to be playing in the NHL. Why am I not being given a chance? If I had minutes like him I'd relish it and be overjoyed.' etc. (2) Value is not just in trade bait it is in sending general messages about this franchise. Are the Jets a pushover now if the Jets simply cede to this kid's demands? It's important that Chevy send a message out about this franchise. We draft you, we expect you will invest your time in the franchise as we invest in you. You spent 1 year in the NCAA and you were moved immediately into a prominent position on this team. That wasn't good enough for you. This is not a good precedent. (3) I would wholly be behind this team sitting this kid for a very long time because what assets you get in return will never equal the message being sent that the Jets, a small market franchise, are pushovers. Further, that the assets you have of those working in the AHL and investing their time WILL be rewarded rather than considered an afterthought to a spoiled brat. Long term investment in our brand as a no nonsense franchise to me is of much more value than ceding to the whims of a problem agent and his problem client. Well said....I said the same thing ( sort of ) right after you!
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Post by TheDeuce on Sept 28, 2016 9:14:31 GMT -6
Don Maloney on Turris / Overhardt
“The CBA gives us certain rights to Turris and we are exercising our rights. There will be a point in the future Turris will have the right to decide who he wants to play for and how much he will accept.
He is not at this stage, given his age and experience. If he wants to play in the NHL this season, he will re-sign with us. We will not trade his rights under any circumstances and are prepared to live with the consequences if he decides to sit out this, and future, seasons.“ November 4th, 2011
"We think from an organizational standpoint, we can't allow people that are unhappy with their ice time or the way they've been used or treated in the past dictate when they want to be traded," he said. "It's very, very clear: If he wants to play in the NHL this season, he'll sign with us. Anything else, then he won't, and we'll deal with the consequences from that." October 27, 2011
I say again: the Jets get dividends for letting Trouba sit. Dividends in the form of dissuading future players from trying this with them.
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Post by lenny on Sept 28, 2016 9:14:37 GMT -6
I believe in messages being sent and deterrence. He's an asset but a diminished asset because what will be perceived as a certain "attitude" of self-worth. Plus his attachment to a draconian agent: (1) What message does this send to young talent toiling in the AHL when not even a top five draft pick asset takes the position they deserve special consideration and take the ultimate tact in wanting to be traded from the franchise after their ELC is over: 'I think I deserve to be playing in the NHL. Why am I not being given a chance? If I had minutes like him I'd relish it and be overjoyed.' etc. (2) Value is not just in trade bait it is in sending general messages about this franchise. Are the Jets a pushover now if the Jets simply cede to this kid's demands? It's important that Chevy send a message out about this franchise. We draft you, we expect you will invest your time in the franchise as we invest in you. You spent 1 year in the NCAA and you were moved immediately into a prominent position on this team. That wasn't good enough for you. This is not a good precedent. (3) I would wholly be behind this team sitting this kid for a very long time because what assets you get in return will never equal the message being sent that the Jets, a small market franchise, are pushovers. Further, that the assets you have of those working in the AHL and investing their time WILL be rewarded rather than considered an afterthought to a spoiled brat. Long term investment in our brand as a no nonsense franchise to me is of much more value than ceding to the whims of a problem agent and his problem client. Well said....I said the same thing ( sort of ) right after you! Saw that. Agree!!
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Post by smokes on Sept 28, 2016 9:15:12 GMT -6
I think the question is let him sit forever to send a message or let him sit until someone offers us a top 4 calibre LHD. I'm in the latter camp. If Ekman-Larson, Hamonic, Lindholm, Reilly, Maatta or something is the offer then the Jets should consider it. If its Hanifin +, Klefbom +, Nurse + then the Jets should evaluate it. If we don't get a good offer than just let him sit out as long as needed. Too bad for him, he brought it on himself. I think the answer is a sweet spot somewhere between sending message, and taking a strong offer in trade. I do believe that there is value to the organization in letting him sit and sending a message, but that is trumped by maximizing JT's trade value. His greatest value is between today and December 1, especially if serious injuries occur on other teams in their top 4 D. After December 1 until the end of the season, his value plummets. It then recovers in the summer, but not to the level leading up to December 1 this year. In the absence of a very strong offer soon (at which point the "sending a message" strategy is completely forgotten), I can see him sitting a year, being traded in the summer for less, with some of that made up for with the value of organizational hardball. Letting him rot in the KHL until he is 27 is like eating four plates of poutine: feels good going down, but ultimately makes you sick and leads to a heart attack.
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Post by TheDeuce on Sept 28, 2016 9:27:44 GMT -6
I guess I should qualify my answer. If a truly equal or better LD is offered, at roughly the same age and RFA status then yeah, make the move. I just expect that such an offer won't be coming since GMs now think that Chevy has to deal from a position of weakness.
Hey if we did a deal along the lines of:
1. Sign Trouba to a short term deal. 2. Flip him to Anaheim while retaining as much salary as can be managed. 3. Receive Lindholm in return. 4. Add some forward assets to make the deal equitable.
I'd be dancing a jig. Anaheim has cap issues so this could offer some short term relief...
I don't subscribe to a 'let him rot and not move him under any circumstance' but the only circumstance I'd consider is a top-flight LD coming back.
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Post by smokes on Sept 28, 2016 9:45:38 GMT -6
Don Maloney on Turris / Overhardt
“The CBA gives us certain rights to Turris and we are exercising our rights. There will be a point in the future Turris will have the right to decide who he wants to play for and how much he will accept. He is not at this stage, given his age and experience. If he wants to play in the NHL this season, he will re-sign with us. We will not trade his rights under any circumstances and are prepared to live with the consequences if he decides to sit out this, and future, seasons.“ November 4th, 2011 "We think from an organizational standpoint, we can't allow people that are unhappy with their ice time or the way they've been used or treated in the past dictate when they want to be traded," he said. "It's very, very clear: If he wants to play in the NHL this season, he'll sign with us. Anything else, then he won't, and we'll deal with the consequences from that." October 27, 2011I say again: the Jets get dividends for letting Trouba sit. Dividends in the form of dissuading future players from trying this with them. m. Overhardt/Turris held out until November 22 in 2011, at which point they signed a two year bridge. Turris was then traded to Ottawa for David Rundblad (and a second round pick) a few weeks later. Since that trade, Rundblad has bounced between very limited playing time in the NHL, and the AHL, where he is currently playing on Rockford. Turris has gone on to score near 60 points a season with the Senators. Message sent by Maloney and the Coyotes, but the return for Turris was very poor. I hope and trust that Chevy will do better...
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