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Post by Ric O. on Sept 28, 2016 17:58:52 GMT -6
Keep in mind his value to the team which eventually gets him is ENHANCED if he sits a year as he loses a year of UFA eligibility. In other words he is actually punished twice - he doesn't get to play the year and then if traded after Dec. 1 the receiving team gets a bonus RFA year for him (though he can't play for the remainder of the year). Is this right Ric.O.? I believe you posted this earlier. From my understanding, whether Trouba gets traded now or a year from now the team that gets him will get the same number of Trouba RFA years. If he's traded this year (or signs with us) and plays this year then he's UFA at 26. If he's traded next year and plays next year but didn't play this year then he's UFA at 27. I believe it's only if he sits longer than just this year that he will start eating up RFA time. So you're right, if he doesn't play this year he is punished twice. 1. Misses out on whatever would be this years salary with a bridge or long term contract. 2. Loses a coveted UFA year as he would have to wait until 27 rather than 26. And as has been mentioned but just so hard to believe he could be such a unowat, Jets did him a huge financial favour to begin with by bringing him in out of college at 19 so he could capitalize on that extra UFA year. Thanks for nothing! With all of the literal millions he stands to lose sitting out this season, I see almost no chance that he chooses to sit out this season, so I guess bridge deal followed by trade (a la Turris) is the way this will probably turn out. I guess he could go to the KHL but that really doesn't seem like his style and I think if he were to go there he'd be exposed as over-rated and might never get back on the earning trajectory he seems to be on now...that's just what I think. |
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Post by Grumpz on Sept 28, 2016 18:17:46 GMT -6
Keep in mind his value to the team which eventually gets him is ENHANCED if he sits a year as he loses a year of UFA eligibility. In other words he is actually punished twice - he doesn't get to play the year and then if traded after Dec. 1 the receiving team gets a bonus RFA year for him (though he can't play for the remainder of the year). Is this right Ric.O.? I believe you posted this earlier. From my understanding, whether Trouba gets traded now or a year from now the team that gets him will get the same number of Trouba RFA years. If he's traded this year (or signs with us) and plays this year then he's UFA at 26. If he's traded next year and plays next year but didn't play this year then he's UFA at 27. I believe it's only if he sits longer than just this year that he will start eating up RFA time. So you're right, if he doesn't play this year he is punished twice. 1. Misses out on whatever would be this years salary with a bridge or long term contract. 2. Loses a coveted UFA year as he would have to wait until 27 rather than 26. And as has been mentioned but just so hard to believe he could be such a unowat, Jets did him a huge financial favour to begin with by bringing him in out of college at 19 so he could capitalize on that extra UFA year. Thanks for nothing! With all of the literal millions he stands to lose sitting out this season, I see almost no chance that he chooses to sit out this season, so I guess bridge deal followed by trade (a la Turris) is the way this will probably turn out. I guess he could go to the KHL but that really doesn't seem like his style and I think if he were to go there he'd be exposed as over-rated and might never get back on the earning trajectory he seems to be on now...that's just what I think. Could punish him 14 times over, but it doesn't help the Jets to have an RFA situation like this, looming over team...not any way at all. Posted w/ Grumpz D-vice |
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Post by lenny on Sept 28, 2016 19:08:24 GMT -6
Keep in mind his value to the team which eventually gets him is ENHANCED if he sits a year as he loses a year of UFA eligibility. In other words he is actually punished twice - he doesn't get to play the year and then if traded after Dec. 1 the receiving team gets a bonus RFA year for him (though he can't play for the remainder of the year). Is this right Ric.O.? I believe you posted this earlier. From my understanding, whether Trouba gets traded now or a year from now the team that gets him will get the same number of Trouba RFA years. If he's traded this year (or signs with us) and plays this year then he's UFA at 26. If he's traded next year and plays next year but didn't play this year then he's UFA at 27. I believe it's only if he sits longer than just this year that he will start eating up RFA time. So you're right, if he doesn't play this year he is punished twice. 1. Misses out on whatever would be this years salary with a bridge or long term contract. 2. Loses a coveted UFA year as he would have to wait until 27 rather than 26. And as has been mentioned but just so hard to believe he could be such a unowat, Jets did him a huge financial favour to begin with by bringing him in out of college at 19 so he could capitalize on that extra UFA year. Thanks for nothing! With all of the literal millions he stands to lose sitting out this season, I see almost no chance that he chooses to sit out this season, so I guess bridge deal followed by trade (a la Turris) is the way this will probably turn out. I guess he could go to the KHL but that really doesn't seem like his style and I think if he were to go there he'd be exposed as over-rated and might never get back on the earning trajectory he seems to be on now...that's just what I think. The Jets would have had to extend him a 1 year qualifying offer to retain his rights which would be close to 2 million (105% of his last years salary). Jets should say take it because you're getting nothing else from us. Overhardt, when dealing with Turris used the excuse that his client wanted to play as a top forward (1st or second line) and not towards the bottom of the lineup as the Yotes stated he would be playing (3rd or 4rth line presumably and the suggestion is if he is going to play on the 3rd or 4rth to be compensated accordingly i.e., less than he would be making on the top two lines). I don't see why he wouldn't have otherwise not wanted to play in Phoenix. Here, it is quite clear that Winnipeg itself is the issue. When you're getting the third most playing time on the team then the left-right business is a lame excuse but hey, we're taken for gullible here by the agent and it's an attempt to save face from the public. Ultimately it will be a business decision and not a decision of retribution but as noted by smokes this better be a good one because Chevy's reputation may hang on the balance. And if down the road Overhardt takes over Laine or another top prospect for the Jets good luck. Yell loud enough and the Jets fold like a cheap suit because they know we are a draft and develop team and are not the choice for top list free agents and numerous players with no-trade contracts. This is the way guys like Overhardt ultimately can go around the CBA - by having teams like the Jets on the hook because of their dependency on young talent and using that dependency as leverage to screw us. |
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Post by Grumpz on Sept 28, 2016 19:46:21 GMT -6
From my understanding, whether Trouba gets traded now or a year from now the team that gets him will get the same number of Trouba RFA years. If he's traded this year (or signs with us) and plays this year then he's UFA at 26. If he's traded next year and plays next year but didn't play this year then he's UFA at 27. I believe it's only if he sits longer than just this year that he will start eating up RFA time. So you're right, if he doesn't play this year he is punished twice. 1. Misses out on whatever would be this years salary with a bridge or long term contract. 2. Loses a coveted UFA year as he would have to wait until 27 rather than 26. And as has been mentioned but just so hard to believe he could be such a unowat, Jets did him a huge financial favour to begin with by bringing him in out of college at 19 so he could capitalize on that extra UFA year. Thanks for nothing! With all of the literal millions he stands to lose sitting out this season, I see almost no chance that he chooses to sit out this season, so I guess bridge deal followed by trade (a la Turris) is the way this will probably turn out. I guess he could go to the KHL but that really doesn't seem like his style and I think if he were to go there he'd be exposed as over-rated and might never get back on the earning trajectory he seems to be on now...that's just what I think. The Jets would have had to extend him a 1 year qualifying offer to retain his rights which would be close to 2 million (105% of his last years salary). Jets should say take it because you're getting nothing else from us. Overhardt, when dealing with Turris used the excuse that his client wanted to play as a top forward (1st or second line) and not towards the bottom of the lineup as the Yotes stated he would be playing (3rd or 4rth line presumably and the suggestion is if he is going to play on the 3rd or 4rth to be compensated accordingly i.e., less than he would be making on the top two lines). I don't see why he wouldn't have otherwise not wanted to play in Phoenix. Here, it is quite clear that Winnipeg itself is the issue. When you're getting the third most playing time on the team then the left-right business is a lame excuse but hey, we're taken for gullible here by the agent and it's an attempt to save face from the public. Ultimately it will be a business decision and not a decision of retribution but as noted by smokes this better be a good one because Chevy's reputation may hang on the balance. And if down the road Overhardt takes over Laine or another top prospect for the Jets good luck. Yell loud enough and the Jets fold like a cheap suit because they know we are a draft and develop team and are not the choice for top list free agents and numerous players with no-trade contracts. This is the way guys like Overhardt ultimately can go around the CBA - by having teams like the Jets on the hook because of their dependency on young talent and using that dependency as leverage to screw us. Chevy hasn't buckled yet. This request was made in May. We're down to three scenarios, none of which make the Jets look weak. Either Trouba signs a bridge and Chevy trades him when the right deal comes along, or Trouba holds out and gets traded prior to Dec 1, or Trouba flushes the season and gets traded. Do people really think Chevy is going to trade him for a bag of pucks? Posted w/ Grumpz D-vice |
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Post by Ric O. on Sept 28, 2016 20:13:50 GMT -6
Do people really think Chevy is going to trade him for a bag of pucks? Posted w/ Grumpz D-vice Nope...I for one believe Chevy will get a fair return, even if Troubla decides to flush the season. |
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Post by Tracker on Sept 28, 2016 20:45:12 GMT -6
Do people really think Chevy is going to trade him for a bag of pucks? Posted w/ Grumpz D-vice Nope...I for one believe Chevy will get a fair return, even if Troubla decides to flush the season. Chevy's history would support that argument. |
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Post by bcjet on Sept 28, 2016 21:10:52 GMT -6
Nope...I for one believe Chevy will get a fair return, even if Troubla decides to flush the season. Chevy's history would support that argument. Yup, I agree. When Kane was acting like a 5 year old Chevy got more than I thought, actually got the better of the deal. We are being armchair GMs and whatever happens, I will think that was the best Chevy could do. It is kind of moot, because we don't know what s happening behind the scenes. I would still like to see him sit a year.  |
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Post by TheDeuce on Sept 28, 2016 21:51:47 GMT -6
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Post by NHLWinnipeg on Sept 29, 2016 2:15:53 GMT -6
That's gold. Thanks for posting. |
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Post by ovi1 on Sept 29, 2016 4:54:05 GMT -6
ROT
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Post by lenny on Sept 29, 2016 6:41:17 GMT -6
Heard Button's interview great stuff.
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Post by rickybobby on Sept 29, 2016 7:18:42 GMT -6
I'd like to see Trouba drop his agent, get one with some class and come back to play with the Jets. I believe the agent has polluted Trouba's mind with crap!
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Post by Tim on Sept 29, 2016 7:21:36 GMT -6
I'd like to see Trouba drop his agent, get one with some class and come back to play with the Jets. I believe the agent has polluted Trouba's mind with crap! Yep that what agents do! |
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Post by jval07 on Sept 29, 2016 8:38:54 GMT -6
How does letting him rot help us? I just don't get it.
A) Still leaves a huge hole to fill on the blueline.
B) Keeps a negative distraction over the team.
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Post by Tim on Sept 29, 2016 12:10:31 GMT -6
How does letting him rot help us? I just don't get it. A) Still leaves a huge hole to fill on the blueline. B) Keeps a negative distraction over the team. Because it opens the door for every kid that ends up in Winnipeg unhappy to say "I don't like it here so I want out" if they cave on Trouba it opens the floodgates, if they make an example of him the next guy may think a little harder! This team is here for a long time so lets not make mistakes that can hurt this team in the future. |
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