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Post by lenny on Sept 28, 2016 9:58:18 GMT -6
Don Maloney on Turris / Overhardt
“The CBA gives us certain rights to Turris and we are exercising our rights. There will be a point in the future Turris will have the right to decide who he wants to play for and how much he will accept. He is not at this stage, given his age and experience. If he wants to play in the NHL this season, he will re-sign with us. We will not trade his rights under any circumstances and are prepared to live with the consequences if he decides to sit out this, and future, seasons.“ November 4th, 2011 "We think from an organizational standpoint, we can't allow people that are unhappy with their ice time or the way they've been used or treated in the past dictate when they want to be traded," he said. "It's very, very clear: If he wants to play in the NHL this season, he'll sign with us. Anything else, then he won't, and we'll deal with the consequences from that." October 27, 2011I say again: the Jets get dividends for letting Trouba sit. Dividends in the form of dissuading future players from trying this with them. m. Overhardt/Turris held out until November 22 in 2011, at which point they signed a two year bridge. Turris was then traded to Ottawa for David Rundblad (and a second round pick) a few weeks later. Since that trade, Rundblad has bounced between very limited playing time in the NHL, and the AHL, where he is currently playing on Rockford. Turris has gone on to score near 60 points a season with the Senators. Message sent by Maloney and the Coyotes, but the return for Turris was very poor. I hope and trust that Chevy will do better... Good point. Rundblad is now in the Swiss League making swiss cheese. Turris did sign but missed 19 games of the opening season with his holdout. He had clearly fallen out of favour with everyone though. But like you said we can hope Chevy won't sweat the wait. He should feel no pressure from management or the fan base.
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Post by TheDeuce on Sept 28, 2016 10:12:24 GMT -6
Maloney caved and got a poor return though. I hope like heck that Chevy does better.
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Post by Grumpz on Sept 28, 2016 10:26:44 GMT -6
Letting him sit to make a point, and not trying to find the best deal to move him and help the team, is one of the most ridiculous approaches I could imagine.
Morrissey could very well win Trouba's spot. Do we really want 2 small puck moving dmen in the lineup at the same time?
Is Trump still at the podium!?
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Post by Tim on Sept 28, 2016 10:48:17 GMT -6
Letting him sit to make a point, and not trying to find the best deal to move him and help the team, is one of the most ridiculous approaches I could imagine. Morrissey could very well win Trouba's spot. Do we really want 2 small puck moving dmen in the lineup at the same time? Is Trump still at the podium!? Posted w/ Grumpz D-vice Your right Morrissey is not the answer, but I do like Julian Melchiori.
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Post by smokes on Sept 28, 2016 11:04:53 GMT -6
Overhardt/Turris held out until November 22 in 2011, at which point they signed a two year bridge. Turris was then traded to Ottawa for David Rundblad (and a second round pick) a few weeks later. Since that trade, Rundblad has bounced between very limited playing time in the NHL, and the AHL, where he is currently playing on Rockford. Turris has gone on to score near 60 points a season with the Senators. Message sent by Maloney and the Coyotes, but the return for Turris was very poor. I hope and trust that Chevy will do better... Good point. Rundblad is now in the Swiss League making swiss cheese. Turris did sign but missed 19 games of the opening season with his holdout. He had clearly fallen out of favour with everyone though. But like you said we can hope Chevy won't sweat the wait. He should feel no pressure from management or the fan base. For all of Maloney's tough talk, he folded his tent pretty quickly, got nothing in return, and the only message he sent to future holdouts was, "We'll talk very tough, but will give you what you want with minimal pain to you." No coincidence that negotiations between the Yotes and Turris heated up at the end of November, approaching the December 1 deadline. No doubt the same will happen with Chevy and JT. At that point (as may have been the case with Turris) a sign and trade might be the only option other than wiping out the whole season for JT. If the return for JT is Rundbladesque, though, I say skip it and wait for the summer.
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Post by jval07 on Sept 28, 2016 11:06:26 GMT -6
Sure we can let him sit and rot but that still leaves a huge hole to fill which hurts us as a team. I'm also of the belief his trade value deteriorates the longer we wait. So as much as I'd like to see him rot to crap, my opinion is to take one of the many trades that are probably being offered and move on.
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Post by lenny on Sept 28, 2016 12:40:22 GMT -6
Keep in mind his value to the team which eventually gets him is ENHANCED if he sits a year as he loses a year of UFA eligibility. In other words he is actually punished twice - he doesn't get to play the year and then if traded after Dec. 1 the receiving team gets a bonus RFA year for him (though he can't play for the remainder of the year). Is this right Ric.O.? I believe you posted this earlier.
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Post by jval07 on Sept 28, 2016 12:46:56 GMT -6
I don't know how anybody's trade value can be enhanced by sitting out of professional hockey for a year.
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Post by lenny on Sept 28, 2016 13:14:16 GMT -6
I don't know how anybody's trade value can be enhanced by sitting out of professional hockey for a year. Because the receiving team doesn't LOSE that RFA year he sat out.
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Post by Grumpz on Sept 28, 2016 13:17:44 GMT -6
I don't know how anybody's trade value can be enhanced by sitting out of professional hockey for a year. I'm with you. The notion has no basis. If he plays in the K, it hampers him, if sits here, it hampers him. The only benefit is that it does send a message, but that can't be more valuable than moving Trouba for Hamonic, a roster player and a pick. I can't speak for other posters, but they must not be conveying their opinions properly, because if Chevy gets a call today, that allows him to move Trouba today, and the Jets are better, or at least the same without the distraction, who in their right mind would say "no thanks, we'd rather him sit, than solidify our blue line and add more depth." Posted w/ Grumpz D-vice
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Post by Grumpz on Sept 28, 2016 13:18:44 GMT -6
I don't know how anybody's trade value can be enhanced by sitting out of professional hockey for a year. Because the receiving team doesn't LOSE that RFA year he sat out. If he's traded today, that team doesn't lose it either. Posted w/ Grumpz D-vice
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Post by lenny on Sept 28, 2016 13:25:24 GMT -6
Because the receiving team doesn't LOSE that RFA year he sat out. If he's traded today, that team doesn't lose it either. Posted w/ Grumpz D-vice Of course but the issue is whether if he wasn't traded or didn't sign before Dec. 1 would his value decrease. You stated it does. That's wrong for contractual reasons plus he is gaining a year of health without injuries. Indeed nothing would stop him if nothing is done before Dec. 1 playing in Europe for a half of season. As you know Trouba has been injured for various periods of time the last three years. He was healthy last year but the two previous years he lost an accumulated 34 games to injury.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 13:42:25 GMT -6
Wait patiently. Even if it means having Trouba sit out until the trade deadline.
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Post by smokes on Sept 28, 2016 15:04:55 GMT -6
Wait patiently. Even if it means having Trouba sit out until the trade deadline. If he gets past December 1, he won't get traded until the summer as he cannot play this season. Trade deadline deals are done to enhance teams for a playoff run.
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Post by bcjet on Sept 28, 2016 16:32:45 GMT -6
If they can get Hamonic, a roster player and a pick, I would say go for it even though Trouba's ceiling is higher. The fact is, it isn't going to happen. The trouble with dealing Trouba any time soon, is the Winnipeg Jets will no doubt be a target for young players that want to call the shots and their idiot agents. I totally agree that having Trouba sit will send a strong message and if we lose a little value in Trouba, perhaps it will prevent such antics from say a Laine or generational player years from now. Having a generational player do this a few years from now would be devistabting. Trouba is good, but not generational. I would like to see Trouba sit myself, but not for spite. I think the fact is his value has dropped even more with this and we have no idea what the other GM's are offering but my guess would be not too much. I just can't see it.
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