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Post by Tracker on Sept 22, 2020 16:58:50 GMT -6
I also think that if the wingers get back in a a hurry and are big and physical enough to punish opposition forwards and give smallish d-men time to retrieve pucks and make that critical first pass. Someone has to be big and strong enough to bulldoze and block opposition from getting free shots at the goalie.
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Post by Ric O. on Sept 22, 2020 20:21:35 GMT -6
Not 1 defenceman in the SC final is under 190 lbs. Dallas doesn't have one under 200. The islanders had 1 under 190 and Vegas were 190 and above. I see a pattern..... Niku is 176, Pionk is 184, and Heinola is 178. Bugs that will get stepped on. Case in point, in theory Tobi still had a couple of decent NHL veteran years left in him, probably would have been a positive contributor in the regular season, but I always thought they let him go after seeing him get run over time and time again in the playoffs...because he sure did!
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Post by shakinallover on Sept 22, 2020 20:52:19 GMT -6
Not 1 defenceman in the SC final is under 190 lbs. Dallas doesn't have one under 200. The islanders had 1 under 190 and Vegas were 190 and above. I see a pattern..... Niku is 176, Pionk is 184, and Heinola is 178. Bugs that will get stepped on. Case in point, in theory Tobi still had a couple of decent NHL veteran years left in him, probably would have been a positive contributor in the regular season, but I always thought they let him go after seeing him get run over time and time again in the playoffs...because he sure did! And Tobi usually had Buff to theoretically protect him...
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Post by Tracker on Sept 23, 2020 10:02:49 GMT -6
Case in point, in theory Tobi still had a couple of decent NHL veteran years left in him, probably would have been a positive contributor in the regular season, but I always thought they let him go after seeing him get run over time and time again in the playoffs...because he sure did! And Tobi usually had Buff to theoretically protect him... Buff was pretty much a pacificist, but he was big enough to disassemble anyone in a few seconds, so it was a threat but it seemed to do the job. We should all pray that Logan Stanley can step up- that would solve a lot of concerns.
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Post by Tim on Sept 23, 2020 13:01:00 GMT -6
A smaller, mobile, intelligent defenceman can shine in the NHL as a part of a properly structured defence, as Quinn Hughes has proven, but you also need the beef and nastiness in the defensive corps. Not if your whole D core is built that way, and it gets worse playoff time!
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Post by Tracker on Sept 29, 2020 19:52:46 GMT -6
According to 1290 afternoon radio show, there are serious negotiations underway involving Laine.
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Post by Ric O. on Sept 30, 2020 20:41:22 GMT -6
I know Friedman said he doesn't think Laine has asked for a trade but has stated he wants to play with Scheif. Probably not far off the mark, I think he probably does want that but grovelling for it just doesn't have the right ring to it. By now the only possibility I see is that Laine sees the writing on the wall and has asked for a trade.
This whole "you have to give something to get something narrative" that the media guys keep pushing and selling, like the only option to getting the center to play with Laine is to trade Laine is pretty insulting isn't it? Such a distraction.
Brian Lawton's comments on 1290 yesterday were pretty interesting...and what I heard not at all what Edmonds and gang were reframing this morning, that this will be great for the Jets. Honestly, if this happens, to be sure there will be some Laine haters that'll be happy but unless we're getting someone like Eichel I think there's going to be fan outrage not seen since the Selanne trade...but worse this time not being a franchise with one foot out the door, yet.
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Post by ekjet72 on Sept 30, 2020 23:24:26 GMT -6
According to 1290 afternoon radio show, there are serious negotiations underway involving Laine. As i wrote before this will be a dressing room killer. While I understand its a business, as they all say, the room will turn on itself as will the fans on the team. Its not as if he's a bum. He did his best to turn his game around last year. No one misses Andrew Ladd, but this trade, if true, will be a shocker on the order of Selanne and Gretzky.
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Post by Tracker on Oct 1, 2020 8:19:41 GMT -6
According to 1290 afternoon radio show, there are serious negotiations underway involving Laine. As i wrote before this will be a dressing room killer. While I understand its a business, as they all say, the room will turn on itself as will the fans on the team. Its not as if he's a bum. He did his best to turn his game around last year. No one misses Andrew Ladd, but this trade, if true, will be a shocker on the order of Selanne and Gretzky. Disagree. If players throws a snit because they want to play beside Laine more than they want to challenge for the Cup, they are not keepers. Chevy has an obligation to make the team a winner and do what it takes to achieve that. There is a story about US colege football where a popular player was traded after two seasons where the team lost badly. When asked about the effect of trading said player, the coach replied that they finished out of the playoffs with him, and he was pretty sure they could finish as well without him. The team made the playoffs for the next several years.
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Post by Tim on Oct 1, 2020 10:17:11 GMT -6
I know Friedman said he doesn't think Laine has asked for a trade but has stated he wants to play with Scheif. Probably not far off the mark, I think he probably does want that but grovelling for it just doesn't have the right ring to it. By now the only possibility I see is that Laine sees the writing on the wall and has asked for a trade. This whole "you have to give something to get something narrative" that the media guys keep pushing and selling, like the only option to getting the center to play with Laine is to trade Laine is pretty insulting isn't it? Such a distraction. Brian Lawton's comments on 1290 yesterday were pretty interesting...and what I heard not at all what Edmonds and gang were reframing this morning, that this will be great for the Jets. Honestly, if this happens, to be sure there will be some Laine haters that'll be happy but unless we're getting someone like Eichel I think there's going to be fan outrage not seen since the Selanne trade...but worse this time not being a franchise with one foot out the door, yet. I don't know, I think Laine did improve his game but I really don't get the feeling he is the guy that says follow me i'll show you the way! I'll sit back and see how this plays out and if someone is willing to sell the farm on a guy who can't drive a team them buy himself, then I'm ok with that as long as we get guys you can win with in return!
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Post by sting on Oct 1, 2020 10:48:37 GMT -6
I know Friedman said he doesn't think Laine has asked for a trade but has stated he wants to play with Scheif. Probably not far off the mark, I think he probably does want that but grovelling for it just doesn't have the right ring to it. By now the only possibility I see is that Laine sees the writing on the wall and has asked for a trade. This whole "you have to give something to get something narrative" that the media guys keep pushing and selling, like the only option to getting the center to play with Laine is to trade Laine is pretty insulting isn't it? Such a distraction. Brian Lawton's comments on 1290 yesterday were pretty interesting...and what I heard not at all what Edmonds and gang were reframing this morning, that this will be great for the Jets. Honestly, if this happens, to be sure there will be some Laine haters that'll be happy but unless we're getting someone like Eichel I think there's going to be fan outrage not seen since the Selanne trade...but worse this time not being a franchise with one foot out the door, yet. I don't know, I think Laine did improve his game but I really don't get the feeling he is the guy that says follow me i'll show you the way! I'll sit back and see how this plays out and if someone is willing to sell the farm on a guy who can't drive a team them buy himself, then I'm ok with that as long as we get guys you can win with in return! They said that about Ovie and he turned out to be a great leader after a few seasons.
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Post by Tim on Oct 1, 2020 11:26:04 GMT -6
I don't know, I think Laine did improve his game but I really don't get the feeling he is the guy that says follow me i'll show you the way! I'll sit back and see how this plays out and if someone is willing to sell the farm on a guy who can't drive a team them buy himself, then I'm ok with that as long as we get guys you can win with in return! They said that about Ovie and he turned out to be a great leader after a few seasons. It was Barry Trotz that got the best out of Ovie, but Ovie could always drive a game if he wanted to, and he could win a game when things were on the line, Laine has just shown hes a great goal scorer.
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Post by ekjet72 on Oct 2, 2020 12:53:57 GMT -6
Just another opinion that thinks inside the box and not from the fan or locker room perspective. nhl.nbcsports.com/2020/10/01/trading-laine-would-be-huge-risk-for-jets-could-create-more-problems/That said I was in Edmonton on that day of civic mourning when 99 was traded. What they got in return didn't equal what Edmonton lost but they did get a Gretzky free SC soon after. Thanks to good team play and fortune especially after being down 3-1 to the Jets. Ranford was amazing. Bugger him LOL
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Post by iceland2018 on Oct 2, 2020 13:17:01 GMT -6
This is a coaching problem. Maurice definitely should put Laine on the first line. If it were up to me, I would go with:
Ehlers-Scheifele-Laine Connor-?-Wheeler
Wheeler is a good player, but Laine is now better than him. It's clear PaMo has put him personal feeling ahead of the team. He is a popular coach, but sometimes it's best to put aside personal feelings. Scotty Bowman was hated by his players, but he did what was best for the team. If this trade backfires, it will be on Jets management, especially Chevy and Maurice.
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Post by Ric O. on Oct 2, 2020 17:11:49 GMT -6
This is a coaching problem. Maurice definitely should put Laine on the first line. If it were up to me, I would go with: Ehlers-Scheifele-Laine Connor-?-Wheeler Wheeler is a good player, but Laine is now better than him. It's clear PaMo has put him personal feeling ahead of the team. He is a popular coach, but sometimes it's best to put aside personal feelings. Scotty Bowman was hated by his players, but he did what was best for the team. If this trade backfires, it will be on Jets management, especially Chevy and Maurice. Totally agree. Go back to the top line they experimented with back in 2016/17 up to the day Laine said he heard the PP was pretty bad in 2015/16, and the Maurice beatdown kicked in.
I would never bash Wheeler, he's been a very good player for us to be sure, but to Tim's point, who on the Jets is that guy that can say "follow me to the promised land boys!" Respected for sure but Wheeler's resume doesn't exactly mirror Mark Messier. As far as I know, Wheeler's never won anything as a pro and took until 31 to reach his peak so all he can really sell with any credibility is to keep working and you can build a nice career. I'm not sure Scheif is that guy either but would be willing to give him the chance to show one way or the other. Basically, I'm all for turning the core over to the youts...I think they're ready to lead, given the opportunity. New coach could get the ball rolling because I don't think Maurice will.
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