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Post by lenny on May 15, 2023 7:45:30 GMT -6
This really should be an interesting off season. There are alot of teams that had below expectation playoffs. Toronto, Oilers, Boston, Colorado.....that will be looking to shake up their lineup. There is no excuse for Chevy not to be able to move the players that are creating issues in that room ( and on the ice).It's obvious Wheeler is a problem. It's obvious you can't have Scheif deciding he prefers to play a different style of game than the rest of the team. You can't let your other 1/2 center Dubois( who is hit and miss anyway) walk next year for nothing. Add in Helly being on an expiring contract. 4 situations that need to be dealt with. None can be ignored. But as I said there seems to be alot of teams that will be wanting to shake things up. There's no excuses anymore. Well, Chevy always has more excuses lol. After all, this is not 'fantasy' hockey I'd look for something to be done before or at draft day regarding Scheif at least. This would be an anomaly as he usually is too chicken little to pull any kind of trigger like this. Best thing is to keep expectations very low with this GM. I mean very, very low. The reality is that there really isn't too many options for him but to do the inevitable given the contract status of these players and the players' expectations. Inevitability is something Chevy can excel at.lol
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Post by Tracker on May 15, 2023 16:55:27 GMT -6
Okay. Two newer franchises are in the western finals while still wet behind the ears. Cheveldayoff has had 11 years and the Jets are looking in from the outside after a dismal playoff series. We are not to worry, though. all is well.
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Post by PeakyBlinders on May 16, 2023 8:13:20 GMT -6
Well both those teams paid huge $$$ to get a free roster. The real difference at this point in the playoffs is the effort and determination these teams have and obviously the Jets do not have. On Sirius NHL the other day, someone noted that it is not just the referees that chnage in the playoffs, the players do as well. It is just turns into a different game and certain teams (players) are built for it and teams like the Jets and Leafs are not.
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Post by Tim on May 16, 2023 10:57:48 GMT -6
Well both those teams paid huge $$$ to get a free roster. The real difference at this point in the playoffs is the effort and determination these teams have and obviously the Jets do not have. On Sirius NHL the other day, someone noted that it is not just the referees that chnage in the playoffs, the players do as well. It is just turns into a different game and certain teams (players) are built for it and teams like the Jets and Leafs are not. There are great hockey players and then there are guys you win with, lots of times they are not the same people!
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Post by bigoljetairliner on May 16, 2023 16:12:18 GMT -6
See that one of the TSN channels are showing the Seattle - Winnipeg game tonight (9 pm Central). Anyone planning on watching Lambert and the Thunderbirds tonight?
Series tied at 1 after opening two games in the Peg, next up 3 straight in Seattle before returning to Manitoba for the final games, if necessary.
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Post by Ric O. on May 16, 2023 19:30:10 GMT -6
^ I'll be watching Boja...should be a great game. Dan Roberston doing the play by play.
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Post by lenny on May 17, 2023 4:11:21 GMT -6
Hellebuyck, Wheeler, Dubois, Scheifele. Move them.
Hellebuyck is turning 30 May 19. Downside of 30. What happened the last time this GM signed the downside of 30 for a huge unjustified long-term contract? Wheeler. His abilities degrading, stripped of his captaincy, issues with attitude and in the dressing room, etc. Jets can ill afford to get into a huge long term contract which Helle will command with a marginal playoff to rebuilding team.
Those should be the minimum to move for this GM. Unfortunately because of Wheeler's huge cap hit even the Jets eating the max portion of his salary under the agreement is not a great incentive. Buy out is the option but this team is very reluctant to do that.
What about Ehlers? He's a UFA at the end of the 2024-25 season when he is 29 years old. Despite his injuries look at how he's doing at the World's. I think the Jets ride him our for 1 more season then move him.
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Post by shakinallover on May 17, 2023 6:45:44 GMT -6
Some early morning ramblings... Winnipeg is at the the tail end of the build, win, tear down, build, cycle. All nhl teams do it. Some find success most do not. It starts with drafting a core group of highly talented offensive players and then fill in defensive and physical players. The Jets core just wasn't good enough and there's a lack of grit from the 3rd and 4th lines. The Oilers and Leafs both have come close trying to find the magic formula but are still lacking in their "support staff". A close look at the remaining teams show that their core can also be defensive and gritty. The Jets core cannot. Dubois is (was?) The lone exception. I believe the players have also realised that their chance at a cup run here is over. It is time for the inevitable tear down and build part of the cycle.
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Post by PeakyBlinders on May 17, 2023 7:05:14 GMT -6
Hellebuyck, Wheeler, Dubois, Scheifele. Move them. Hellebuyck is turning 30 May 19. Downside of 30. What happened the last time this GM signed the downside of 30 for a huge unjustified long-term contract? Wheeler. His abilities degrading, stripped of his captaincy, issues with attitude and in the dressing room, etc. Jets can ill afford to get into a huge long term contract which Helle will command with a marginal playoff to rebuilding team. Those should be the minimum to move for this GM. Unfortunately because of Wheeler's huge cap hit even the Jets eating the max portion of his salary under the agreement is not a great incentive. Buy out is the option but this team is very reluctant to do that. What about Ehlers? He's a UFA at the end of the 2024-25 season when he is 29 years old. Despite his injuries look at how he's doing at the World's. I think the Jets ride him our for 1 more season then move him. You also have to move 1 or 2 D. The team cannot afford to lose any more AHL developed D.
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Post by PeakyBlinders on May 17, 2023 7:09:47 GMT -6
Some early morning ramblings... Winnipeg is at the the tail end of the build, win, tear down, build, cycle. All nhl teams do it. Some find success most do not. It starts with drafting a core group of highly talented offensive players and then fill in defensive and physical players. The Jets core just wasn't good enough and there's a lack of grit from the 3rd and 4th lines. The Oilers and Leafs both have come close trying to find the magic formula but are still lacking in their "support staff". A close look at the remaining teams show that their core can also be defensive and gritty. The Jets core cannot. Dubois is (was?) The lone exception. I believe the players have also realised that their chance at a cup run here is over. It is time for the inevitable tear down and build part of the cycle. Well stated. I think the team vastly underestimated the fans rersposne to a rebuild/retool. If our old core is traded for a collection of ready NHL prospects, near ready and draft picks the fans would be fine. I know I would. Build from that knowing you also have the likes of Lambert, Chasz and McGorty (sp) as well as other prospects. On WST yesterday, Mike McIntyre was asked to guess how many of the 4 (26,55,37,80) would be on the roster at training camp - he said 1 at most. His 1 came from the idea that if they got rid of 26 and 55 then PLD may be enticed to stay as the clear #1 center. Interesting take that speaks to the culture.
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Post by lenny on May 17, 2023 8:44:17 GMT -6
Hellebuyck, Wheeler, Dubois, Scheifele. Move them. Hellebuyck is turning 30 May 19. Downside of 30. What happened the last time this GM signed the downside of 30 for a huge unjustified long-term contract? Wheeler. His abilities degrading, stripped of his captaincy, issues with attitude and in the dressing room, etc. Jets can ill afford to get into a huge long term contract which Helle will command with a marginal playoff to rebuilding team. Those should be the minimum to move for this GM. Unfortunately because of Wheeler's huge cap hit even the Jets eating the max portion of his salary under the agreement is not a great incentive. Buy out is the option but this team is very reluctant to do that. What about Ehlers? He's a UFA at the end of the 2024-25 season when he is 29 years old. Despite his injuries look at how he's doing at the World's. I think the Jets ride him our for 1 more season then move him. You also have to move 1 or 2 D. The team cannot afford to lose any more AHL developed D. Agreed.
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Post by honeybadger on May 17, 2023 10:41:25 GMT -6
Millionaire hockey players who are simply over paid for putting a puck in the net and for many stretches cannot? Sensationalism at it's finest
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Post by bigoljetairliner on May 17, 2023 11:54:52 GMT -6
See that one of the TSN channels are showing the Seattle - Winnipeg game tonight (9 pm Central). Anyone planning on watching Lambert and the Thunderbirds tonight? Series tied at 1 after opening two games in the Peg, next up 3 straight in Seattle before returning to Manitoba for the final games, if necessary. The game saw Seattle jump out to an early lead with a goal in the opening minute that Winnipeg quickly responded to. But then a 45 second period saw the Thunderbirds explode for 3 goals, with Lambert scoring the 2nd of these on a breakaway ( nice backhand move). After outscoring the Ice 2 to 1 in the 2nd ( Lambert with PP assist), the Thunderbirds were up 6 to 2 and Winnipeg could only add one more goal in the 3rd. Lambert looked good, wasn't on for any goals against, and had 5 shots while also setting up a couple other chances. TSN is covering at least the next 2 games, so will continue watching to see if Lambert can help Seattle win the championship this year ( after losing in the finals last year). Seattle up 2 to 1 on Winnipeg heading into tonight's clash.
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Post by ekjet72 on May 18, 2023 7:29:42 GMT -6
Trade Helle?
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Post by lenny on May 18, 2023 8:35:15 GMT -6
Yes. Do it now to get the value. Can't afford a rich contract downside of thirty. Plus he said he's not interested in a rebuild. That basically is a signal to this GM.
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