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Post by PeakyBlinders on Jun 22, 2024 17:37:28 GMT -6
McRoarty in trade talks per various sources. Murat has an article says he is pissed that the Jets did not guarantee him an NHL job this season.
He should not have been guaranteed, but this is not. A good look. Hoping they trade him for an equal D prospect.
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Post by Ric O. on Jun 22, 2024 17:59:20 GMT -6
Wow, McGroarty, what a colossal blunder by Jets management! Wow am I upset about this.
If all it was about is playing time and you have a guy like that, captain of the US junior team with charisma to burn and a mature 20 year old...like he couldn't bring more to the table than Kupari for example?
Like you say Peaky, this, what they did to Laine to make him want out, how they've been stringing Heinola along rather than play or trade the guy...I'm sure Jets must have a bad reputation amongst prospects. Maybe the worst team to be drafted by... that's nothing to do with the weather.
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Post by 2b9 on Jun 22, 2024 18:20:42 GMT -6
McRoarty in trade talks per various sources. Murat has an article says he is pissed that the Jets did not guarantee him an NHL job this season. He should not have been guaranteed, but this is not. A good look. Hoping they trade him for an equal D prospect. A lot of speculation, what’s real, what’s not real, at this point it’s rumours, his rights are held by the Jets until August 2026. Sports Media/NHL writers are a bunch of Ambulance Chasers, they have nothing better to do than to create rumours/supposed news, those people need to keep their jobs/hence creating rumours from fodder to get reader-ship, there is no confirmation from McG himself on this so called development, it’s all anonymous information from all parties involved at this point. No matter whom this supposed information comes from, if this is true news, why is everyone whom has not come forward with their names confirming this information/development as being true? Elliot F. whom broke this so called story does not stand by anything, he just states it’s what he’s heard, heard from whom? He/Elliot states that it’s all anonymous, he’s not standing by anything, what does that tell you? Elliot F. Just created a poop-storm, he needs the ratings to keep his job. We shall see what happens down the road. Hopefully whatever is out there about McG not wanting to play for the Jets is false. Cheers, 2b9😉😃👍
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Post by 2b9 on Jun 22, 2024 18:27:48 GMT -6
Wow, McGroarty, what a colossal blunder by Jets management! Wow am I upset about this. If all it was about is playing time and you have a guy like that, captain of the US junior team with charisma to burn and a mature 20 year old...like he couldn't bring more to the table than Kupari for example? Like you say Peaky, this, what they did to Laine to make him want out, how they've been stringing Heinola along rather than play or trade the guy...I'm sure Jets must have a bad reputation amongst prospects. Maybe the worst team to be drafted by... that's nothing to do with the weather. Hang on Ric, this is all speculation by Elliot F., he has not confirmed anything, it’s just him floating things out there, he himself would not confirm his true sources, he just created a poop-storm. Obviously Elliot needs ratings to keep his job. Don’t forget, Jets hold McG’s rights until August 2026. Cheers, 2b9😉😃👍
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Post by Ric O. on Jun 22, 2024 18:37:41 GMT -6
Hopefully Jets can pull this out of the fire but...Murat says:
"The Winnipeg Jets’ 2022 first-round pick, Rutger McGroarty, is likely to be traded, a league source told The Athletic on Saturday.
This confirms and adds to Elliotte Friedman’s report on the 32 Thoughts podcast that McGroarty’s name “has come up in trade discussions” and that “the Jets have discussed trading and other teams have discussed acquiring McGroarty’s rights.”
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Post by 2b9 on Jun 22, 2024 18:43:05 GMT -6
Hopefully Jets can pull this out of the fire but...Murat says: "The Winnipeg Jets’ 2022 first-round pick, Rutger McGroarty, is likely to be traded, a league source told The Athletic on Saturday. This confirms and adds to Elliotte Friedman’s report on the 32 Thoughts podcast that McGroarty’s name “has come up in trade discussions” and that “the Jets have discussed trading and other teams have discussed acquiring McGroarty’s rights.” Whom is the League Source? Is it someone credible? Or, is it someone’s Mother from a League Source? I’m sure you get what I am saying. Whom is this credible source? Cheers, 2b9😉😃👍
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Post by Ric O. on Jun 22, 2024 19:04:47 GMT -6
No idea who the league source is but it's Friedman and Ates reporting. I find it very unlikely that this would be a fabricated story from guys who make their reputation and career on this stuff. I don't think they'd be running with the word of the janitor at NHL HQ or someone like that. It has to be someone with some credibility, especially when it's stated that it confirms and adds to the initial story.
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Post by ekjet72 on Jun 22, 2024 19:08:54 GMT -6
Murat is a straight shooter. This a terrible piss poor shot by management. We've been saying give the young 'uns a chance and now this. Sigh!
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Post by 2b9 on Jun 22, 2024 19:10:16 GMT -6
Hopefully Jets can pull this out of the fire but...Murat says: "The Winnipeg Jets’ 2022 first-round pick, Rutger McGroarty, is likely to be traded, a league source told The Athletic on Saturday. This confirms and adds to Elliotte Friedman’s report on the 32 Thoughts podcast that McGroarty’s name “has come up in trade discussions” and that “the Jets have discussed trading and other teams have discussed acquiring McGroarty’s rights.” Ric, let’s just say that there is truth to this, let’s get it over and done with and move on, this could be a blessing in disguise for the Jets, ya know what I mean😉👍. This could really work out well for the Jets, Chevy is pretty savvy, you know that as well as I do👍. BTW, no one knows how well McG will do as an NHL player, that’s yet to be determined. Can’t anoint him yet as a player that makes a difference to any NHL team. Cheers, 2b9😉😃👍
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Post by 2b9 on Jun 22, 2024 19:11:36 GMT -6
No idea who the league source is but it's Friedman and Ates reporting. I find it very unlikely that this would be a fabricated story from guys who make their reputation and career on this stuff. I don't think they'd be running with the word of the janitor at NHL HQ or someone like that. It has to be someone with some credibility, especially when it's stated that it confirms and adds to the initial story. We shall see what happens, time will tell. 2b9😉😃👍
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Post by 2b9 on Jun 22, 2024 19:13:51 GMT -6
Murat is a straight shooter. This a terrible piss poor shot by management. We've been saying give the young 'uns a chance and now this. Sigh! Jets hold his rights until August 2026, this isn’t over yet. Cheers, 2b9😉😃👍
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Post by Ric O. on Jun 22, 2024 19:16:15 GMT -6
I look at the Jets prospect pool and frankly the genius of Chevy is lost on me more often than not. Jets were supposed to be a draft and develop team and it seems to be that he's fumbling the ball at least as often as not.
Yeah, time is the answer to everything I guess...
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Post by 2b9 on Jun 22, 2024 19:20:02 GMT -6
I look at the Jets prospect pool and frankly the genius of Chevy is lost on me more often than not. Jets were supposed to be a draft and develop team and it seems to be that he's fumbling the ball at least as often as not. Yeah, time is the answer to everything I guess... Time will tell. Have a great evening and weekend😃👍! I’m out of here for tonight. Cheers, 2b9😉😃👍
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Post by bigoljetairliner on Jun 22, 2024 20:23:54 GMT -6
I look at the Jets prospect pool and frankly the genius of Chevy is lost on me more often than not. Jets were supposed to be a draft and develop team and it seems to be that he's fumbling the ball at least as often as not. Yeah, time is the answer to everything I guess... I just don't get this take. Yeah, the Jets have messed up a bit with Heinola, but I can't think of many high end prospects the team has mis-managed. Even with him though, I personally didn't feel he was NHL ready until this pre-season so I would have likely made the same choices. Yes, a low-level prospect like Kovacevic should have been given a shot, but guys like Chisholm or Eyssimont are a dime a dozen, so can't really be used as examples in my mind. Guess you could include not giving into Laine's demands for Wheeler's spot too, if you stretch things but even that might be on Maurice. They better give Lambert a shot this season or they might add another example, but I am not going to give them crap for saying McGroarty wasn't guaranteed an NHL spot this season. The examples used as his fellow draft peers that are going to be playing in the NHL are on awful teams ( Chicago/Columbus), so it's not the same as making a team with playoff hopes. Almost all the players in his draft year that have seen NHL action are on bottom-dwellers, other than Boston's Poitras. The guy wasn't even the best player on the US junior team and really had limited spots to make the Jets, because it's not worthwhile having a high-end prospect playing 4th line minutes. With Lowry & Nino on the 3rd line, I think McG could have challenged for Appleton's spot. The other openings would be in the top six and if the team ends up trading Ehlers...they would have Scheifele, Vilardi, Connor, Perfetti and maybe Lambert as options....I am not sure adding another rookie to the mix would work very well. I was excited about McG as much as most, because his physicality and style of play is much needed on the Jets roster. But I am not sure it is good management to let players decide where they will play. As was mentioned above, maybe Ehlers & McG can bring a much needed game changer to the team....or at least fill some holes. Just my thoughts....one final thing, I would point out to McG's camp that since they think he is NHL ready now, how's he going to feel when he has to wait until the 2026-27 season to make his debut ( if he doesn't sign with Winnipeg, this would be when he becomes a UFA). In reality, this decision can be pushed to next off-season if management wants. At the end of the NCAA year, they can go back and offer McG an entry level deal that he would be able to blow the first year by playing the remainder of the season in the NHL or AHL ( thus giving him a chance to earn a new contract quicker). Maybe seeing Lambert get a chance and Perfetti make strides under Arniel would change their outlook? If not, then they still have a year to deal with it, though it would be best to move him in the off-season. So unless the team is blown away, there is really no need to pull the trigger on a deal this summer.
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Post by Ric O. on Jun 22, 2024 23:31:03 GMT -6
I don't know what they mean by "guarantee". Did McG's camp actually say they wanted a guaranteed spot on the roster or is it a case where they could look at the path of recent Jets picks and think it's a team that holds players back? I'm not sure any player in the league has a contractual guarantee of ice time and I doubt that any team can guarantee any rookie a spot in that sense so it just seems like a word someone used to try to describe what was going on in the simplest way possible. Anyway, I would think there would be some way to make the kid feel that he'd get at least as good a shot here as he would anywhere else, which should really be all that matters as far as that goes. The way I read it in the Ates article, it seems that somehow he was not left with that feeling. Well here's my position. I guess we can say that 1st rounders are expected to be high end propects and any round after that is a hope and a prayer. Or can we say in general that any player chosen in the top half of the 1st round will most likely be a high end talent. I don't know how to define high end prospect exactly, not sure if can be defined exactly as it's obviously an imperfect science even for the experts. And of course it depends on the talent pool of the given draft as one major factor. If we go with the former criterion, all 1st rounders are likely high end prospects, 1st rounders since Laine are: 1 Stanley, 2 Vesalainen, 3 Heinola, 4 Perfetti, 5 Lucius, 6 McGroarty, 7 Lambert, 8 Barlow. All 8 are or were expected to likely be high end prospects. If we use the latter criterion, top half of first round (which I would favour), only Perfetti (chosen 10th) and McGroaty (14th) would be considered very likely high end prospects. You seemed to put Lambert ahead of McGroarty but I would have done the opposite...where I would say adding another rookie (Lambert) may not work very well. Although I get it, I'm really high on Lambert too and we've seen more of him than McGroarty so putting Lambert ahead right now, I can see why you'd say that. My feeling is, if we get a full year out of Vilardi and Perfetti it will be a minor miracle, so I'm guessing there would have been more than ample opportunity to get a look at both McGroarty and Lambert with top 6 minutes...see if and where they can fit. That seems reasonable to me, especially considering Arniel has stated an objective to give young guys a fair shot...and who better than these two out of the prospect pool? McGroarty is not a skinny 18 year old kid either as you know...he's 20 years old and 200lbs; what I would call an NHL frame at least. Maybe he was not the best player for the US team, I'd say true, but also coming off a major injury that people were calling kind of miraculous that he even healed enough to play. So speculation on my part but I would doubt that he was playing at 100% health and fitness. I won't say that he was the most talented player on the team, I just don't know, there were some really good players on that squad. McG at 20 years old was one of the more mature players on that team so that probably makes him more NHL ready than most. As far as Chevy fumbling the prospects, I know, he has the toughest job in the league they say. I consider he saved face somewhat in eventually getting Vilardi for Laine but he's only drafted 2 other likely high end prospects since Laine. Very small sample size he's created to find examples of fumbling those prospects. Out of two, he's apparently lost 50%. Maybe he'll get someone as good or better than McGroarty in trade, but the appearance matters to me too and the look of losing this guy is not good IMO. Who knows, McG started out saying all the right things but maybe it'll turn out that he's the next-coming of PLD and wants to pick his own city to play in. I'm not saying that's what's going on and I don't think it is...but if it is I would concede we're better without him and never should have drafted him in the first place! Anyway, big disappointment here because from what I saw and heard from McG, seems like a can't fail heart and soul type of player that is not easy find...had promise to fill a major void that I see in the present Jets roster.
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