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Post by ekjet72 on Jun 24, 2024 12:17:06 GMT -6
Stuck in a win mode? You would've fooled me. How many guys could McGroary beat out? Who knows, but unless you give it a go at the upper echelon you'll never know. Now you have a no win situation. He and his agents know they can force the situation. He won't lose a lot of money as he will get N-I-L cash in College. The Jets simply blew it. There is no rationalizing it any other way.
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Post by sgtbarnes on Jun 24, 2024 13:35:16 GMT -6
I'm not up to speed on this. What did he do at the WJHC? Attitude wise? www.markerzone.com/news/index.php?no=319588The article glosses over the incidents but to see it live with the post game interviews left a bitter taste. Not what a captain should be doing or saying. I'm like, meh. He was about a month past still being a teenager. I'd rather see a guy with some swagger that wins over guys heaping respect after losing. There's another side to that. Apparently a lot of back and forth with the fans.
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Post by 2b9 on Jun 24, 2024 13:58:31 GMT -6
Stuck in a win mode? You would've fooled me. How many guys could McGroary beat out? Who knows, but unless you give it a go at the upper echelon you'll never know. Now you have a no win situation. He and his agents know they can force the situation. He won't lose a lot of money as he will get N-I-L cash in College. The Jets simply blew it. There is no rationalizing it any other way. We shall see how this all plays out, whether itβs shortly or down the road. Cheers, 2b9πππ
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Post by Tracker on Jun 24, 2024 20:00:20 GMT -6
Stuck in a win mode? You would've fooled me. How many guys could McGroary beat out? Who knows, but unless you give it a go at the upper echelon you'll never know. Now you have a no win situation. He and his agents know they can force the situation. He won't lose a lot of money as he will get N-I-L cash in College. The Jets simply blew it. There is no rationalizing it any other way. We shall see how this all plays out, whether itβs shortly or down the road. Cheers, 2b9πππ And we will never know all the backroom machinations.
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Post by sgtbarnes on Jun 24, 2024 22:35:09 GMT -6
Stuck in a win mode? You would've fooled me. How many guys could McGroary beat out? Who knows, but unless you give it a go at the upper echelon you'll never know. Now you have a no win situation. He and his agents know they can force the situation. He won't lose a lot of money as he will get N-I-L cash in College. The Jets simply blew it. There is no rationalizing it any other way. He's probably as good or better than 5 or 6 guys we put on the ice against Colorado. Including Toffoli. This team just refuses to venture anywhere outside of the box. It's failure. Over and over. Try something different. If you land a top prospect, sometimes you need to accommodate them. If the word was, he'll sign, but he wants on the Jets roster, we'd have probably been like, hell yes. Why? Because Jet fans need to see a different approach. If I'm not mistaken we still had a couple of games left after Michigan was done.
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Post by 2b9 on Jun 25, 2024 2:16:22 GMT -6
We shall see how this all plays out, whether itβs shortly or down the road. Cheers, 2b9πππ And we will never know all the backroom machinations. Very true. Cheers, 2b9πππ
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Post by PeakyBlinders on Jun 25, 2024 7:41:05 GMT -6
Stuck in a win mode? You would've fooled me. How many guys could McGroary beat out? Who knows, but unless you give it a go at the upper echelon you'll never know. Now you have a no win situation. He and his agents know they can force the situation. He won't lose a lot of money as he will get N-I-L cash in College. The Jets simply blew it. There is no rationalizing it any other way. He's probably as good or better than 5 or 6 guys we put on the ice against Colorado. Including Toffoli. This team just refuses to venture anywhere outside of the box. It's failure. Over and over. Try something different. If you land a top prospect, sometimes you need to accommodate them. If the word was, he'll sign, but he wants on the Jets roster, we'd have probably been like, hell yes. Why? Because Jet fans need to see a different approach. If I'm not mistaken we still had a couple of games left after Michigan was done. Well Perfetti at 20 years old made our team. Young players CAN make the team but none should be guaranteed a spot. On CJOB yesterday Jim Toth was talking about this and he was very disappointed that if this player is so confident he is NHL ready then come in and prove it.
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Post by sgtbarnes on Jun 25, 2024 13:51:39 GMT -6
It's all well and good to say a kid has to make the team in traditional way.
In a perfect world that's how it works. The problem here is that you drafted a US born kid out of a major USA college program. He's a campus superstar and can stay there and likely make more money than he would on an ELC, wait it out and then play wherever he wants.
Add to that the propensity of the Jets to stay with unproductive vets in the so-called win now mode and now you've got this issue. Along with the fact that so many other teams would put him right into the lineup and bring him along that way.
McGroarty doesn't owe the Jets anything simply because they drafted him.
What I'm saying here is that if you think you've drafted a special player, maybe you have to handle him differently. I'm not on McGroarty's side here. You just have to look at both sides.
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Post by bigoljetairliner on Jun 25, 2024 14:38:26 GMT -6
He's probably as good or better than 5 or 6 guys we put on the ice against Colorado. Including Toffoli. This team just refuses to venture anywhere outside of the box. It's failure. Over and over. Try something different. If you land a top prospect, sometimes you need to accommodate them. If the word was, he'll sign, but he wants on the Jets roster, we'd have probably been like, hell yes. Why? Because Jet fans need to see a different approach. If I'm not mistaken we still had a couple of games left after Michigan was done. Well Perfetti at 20 years old made our team. Young players CAN make the team but none should be guaranteed a spot. On CJOB yesterday Jim Toth was talking about this and he was very disappointed that if this player is so confident he is NHL ready then come in and prove it. Exactly. The more news that comes out, the more it looks like it was an "NHL or nothing" demand just because his buddies are getting the chance. Never mind that those will be playing on teams (CHI/CLM) that have little to no chance of making the playoffs this year. Not at all the same situation in Winnipeg at this time. As you said, if he is so confident in his abilities...win a spot. The Jets could have lied to him and got him to sign anyways, but showed him respect by being up-front. Have no issues with Winnipeg's approach if that "all or nothing" rumours are true.
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Post by DEATHBYPOPCORN1990 on Jun 25, 2024 16:07:50 GMT -6
The Jets have the Heinola Stigma on them now.....
They've done it themselves farting around with this over nurturing, I get development, however others want a resume and to get off ELC asap.
Agents aren't stupid,
Heinola could be playing elsewhere in the NHL, so what do the Jets do, they let him rot in the minors or press box for that one moment when we need him.
IF Heinola isnt playing for the Jets this coming season, I'd be applying to be released from my captors.
McG is reading the play in advance and saying, no thanks.......
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Post by bigoljetairliner on Jun 25, 2024 16:09:34 GMT -6
The Jets have the Heinola Stigma on them now..... They've done it themselves farting around with this over nurturing, I get development, however others want a resume and to get off ELC asap. Agents aren't stupid, Heinola could be playing elsewhere in the NHL, so what do the Jets do, they let him rot in the minors or press box for that one moment when we need him. IF Heinola isnt playing for the Jets this coming season, I'd be applying to be released from my captors. McG is reading the play in advance and saying, no thanks....... Because of his age, McGroarty's contract would start right away, whether he played all NHL games, all AHL games, or a mix. Either way, signing would have gotten him one more year closer to his next contract.
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Post by bigoljetairliner on Jun 25, 2024 16:33:59 GMT -6
Heinola can be looked at many ways.
I have watched pretty much all his AHL games and really didn't think he was NHL ready until this past season's training camp. So that could help prove that the Jets were bang on in their appraisal. However, since it's possible that he would have developed at the same speed (or faster) with more NHL action, nothing is conclusive. With all the talk of how badly treated he has been, it will be interesting to see how easily Heinola re-signs this off-season. Would re-upping change the narrative that Winnipeg hasn't treated him well? Who knows.
On a bit of tangent...As it stands, his 35 NHL games puts him well into the 45-65 range of the 2019 draft...which could be understandable given the situation he faced last year, but definitely doesn't look great on the stat sheet.
The coaching staff said that Heinola would have made the team last season if he hadn't broken his ankle, but who knows how true that was. Easy to say when the guy just had a major injury. Anyways, if he did make the Jets and play all 82 games last year (unlikely), he would be in the top 25 of NHL games played in his draft year (2019). If he had only got into 50-60 NHL games, then he would be in or close to the top 32, which seems fairly reasonable based on where he was drafted.
Heinola ended up getting in no NHL games, even though he managed to get into a good chunk of the AHL games. But I think even he would agree that his skating wasn't close to being right until the season was nearing a finish. Dude was very solid in the final push to make the playoffs and in the 2 post-season games the Moose had. Looking forward to seeing what he can do and hoping he stays healthy this season.
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Post by 2b9 on Jun 25, 2024 16:56:27 GMT -6
The Jets have the Heinola Stigma on them now..... They've done it themselves farting around with this over nurturing, I get development, however others want a resume and to get off ELC asap. Agents aren't stupid, Heinola could be playing elsewhere in the NHL, so what do the Jets do, they let him rot in the minors or press box for that one moment when we need him. IF Heinola isnt playing for the Jets this coming season, I'd be applying to be released from my captors. McG is reading the play in advance and saying, no thanks....... Because of his age, McGroarty's contract would start right away, whether he played all NHL games, all AHL games, or a mix.Β Either way, signing would have gotten him one more year closer to his next contract. Yep. Cheers, 2b9πππ
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Post by lenny on Jun 25, 2024 19:00:23 GMT -6
The latest article which I haven't linked to indicates that the examples of Heinola and Perf are indications to the McGroarty camp that he didn't stand a chance of cracking the lineup. Ironically for me I never thought Heinola was ready because both size and health wise he is a challenge to cracking the lineup. And the Jets are already small on d and maybe getting smaller if we can't sign Dillon.
As far as Perf is concerned, here again I saw an undersized guy, with no grit, very average skating but a high hockey IQ. When the going gets tough this is not the type of guy needed. The Jets need size and grit. And by all accounts McGroarty is that man. And since two of his team mates after the college season, Frank Nazar and Columbus' Gavin Brindley both suited up for their respective teams and the kid is better than both, it stands to reason he would be p$ssed. As Friedman stated, ""If you're McGroarty, you see your friend get a chance to make their debut and you don't get to do it, there's probably some level of FOMO. And then, you hear next year 'You know, we're not sure you're ready yet,' you're not guaranteed a spot, and if you have a choice between going to a third year at Michigan or playing in the AHL in Manitoba, I don't know a 20- or 21-year-old kid who wouldn't pick ... Michigan," Friedman said.
Add to that McGroarty's other teammate Cutter Gauthier, who basically said 'screw you' to the Flyers who was also their first round pick, and instead signs with the Ducks for Jamie Drysdale and a 2025 second-round pick in return. Looks like a perfect storm against the Jets position of "draft and develop".
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Post by honeybadger on Jun 26, 2024 13:11:31 GMT -6
Prerhaps you fellas could calm this Rumour down? Wpg Jets trade involving Nicholei Ehlers for Dman Conner Murphy under 20 points this season and another forward with a last name of Eichel? Could the Organization be that Dumb!
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