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Post by 2b9 on Jun 26, 2024 13:18:46 GMT -6
Prerhaps you fellas could calm this Rumour down? Wpg Jets trade involving Nicholei Ehlers for Dman Conner Murphy under 20 points this season and another forward with a last name of Eichel? Could the Organization be that Dumb! Where did you hear of this rumour? Cheers, 2b9๐๐๐
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Post by bigoljetairliner on Jun 26, 2024 13:37:05 GMT -6
Prerhaps you fellas could calm this Rumour down? Wpg Jets trade involving Nicholei Ehlers for Dman Conner Murphy under 20 points this season and another forward with a last name of Eichel? Could the Organization be that Dumb! I am guessing the rumour is LW/RW Ehlers to Chicago for RD Murphy and LW/C L. Reichel (6'). Murphy would bring size to the defense (6'4") and Reichel was a 17th overall pick in 2020 ( just before NJ's Mercer & the NYR's Schneider). And the Jets would save $400k in cap space. Reichel is an offensive forward who has produced well in the AHL, but not so much in the NHL. Have seen him play a lot since Rockford often faces off against the Moose and while he is exciting to watch, the last thing Winnipeg needs is another undersized top 6 forward. Don't know enough about Murphy to know if he would be an upgrade defensively over either Pionk or Schmidt.
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Post by bigoljetairliner on Jun 26, 2024 14:48:04 GMT -6
Prerhaps you fellas could calm this Rumour down? Wpg Jets trade involving Nicholei Ehlers for Dman Conner Murphy under 20 points this season and another forward with a last name of Eichel? Could the Organization be that Dumb! I am guessing the rumour is LW/RW Ehlers to Chicago for RD Murphy and LW/C L. Reichel (6'). Murphy would bring size to the defense (6'4") and Reichel was a 17th overall pick in 2020 ( just before NJ's Mercer & the NYR's Schneider). And the Jets would save $400k in cap space. Reichel is an offensive forward who has produced well in the AHL, but not so much in the NHL. Have seen him play a lot since Rockford often faces off against the Moose and while he is exciting to watch, the last thing Winnipeg needs is another undersized top 6 forward. Don't know enough about Murphy to know if he would be an upgrade defensively over either Pionk or Schmidt. Actually, the suggested trade is worse than that...from Kypreos: Ehlers & McGroarty to Chicago for RD Murphy, LW/C L. Reichel, & the NYI 1st round pick in 2024 (20th overall).
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Post by PeakyBlinders on Jun 26, 2024 15:30:08 GMT -6
I am guessing the rumour is LW/RW Ehlers to Chicago for RD Murphy and LW/C L. Reichel (6'). Murphy would bring size to the defense (6'4") and Reichel was a 17th overall pick in 2020 ( just before NJ's Mercer & the NYR's Schneider). And the Jets would save $400k in cap space. Reichel is an offensive forward who has produced well in the AHL, but not so much in the NHL. Have seen him play a lot since Rockford often faces off against the Moose and while he is exciting to watch, the last thing Winnipeg needs is another undersized top 6 forward. Don't know enough about Murphy to know if he would be an upgrade defensively over either Pionk or Schmidt. Actually, the suggested trade is worse than that...from Kypreos: Ehlers & McGroarty to Chicago for RD Murphy, LW/C L. Reichel, & the NYI 1st round pick in 2024 (20th overall). That is just laughable...
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Post by sgtbarnes on Jun 26, 2024 19:53:16 GMT -6
Yep. Don't rush integrating top prospects into your lineup. Stay the course. You need plodding shutdown vets to make sure you make those playoffs.
Then, because you have no depth that can score, you lose 4 straight playoff games with a 22-8 goal differential. Shut down 2 lines. They're done.
The Jets need talent with grit and finish. To me that's their main issue. Say goodbye to a guy that checks a lot of boxes.
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Post by 2b9 on Jun 27, 2024 5:06:23 GMT -6
I am guessing the rumour is LW/RW Ehlers to Chicago for RD Murphy and LW/C L. Reichel (6'). Murphy would bring size to the defenseย (6'4") and Reichel was a 17th overall pick in 2020 ( just before NJ's Mercer & the NYR's Schneider). And the Jets would save $400k in cap space. Reichel is an offensive forward who has produced well in the AHL, but not so much in the NHL. Have seen him play a lot since Rockford often faces off against the Moose and while he is exciting to watch, the last thing Winnipeg needs is another undersized top 6 forward. Don't know enough about Murphy to know if he would be an upgrade defensively over either Pionk or Schmidt. Actually, the suggested trade is worse than that...from Kypreos: Ehlers & McGroarty to Chicago for RD Murphy, LW/C L. Reichel, & the NYI 1st round pick in 2024 (20th overall). Hmmmโฆ. yikes. Cheers, 2b9๐๐๐
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Post by ekjet72 on Jun 27, 2024 8:33:46 GMT -6
Yep. Don't rush integrating top prospects into your lineup. Stay the course. You need plodding shutdown vets to make sure you make those playoffs. Then, because you have no depth that can score, you lose 4 straight playoff games with a 22-8 goal differential. Shut down 2 lines. They're done. The Jets need talent with grit and finish. To me that's their main issue. Say goodbye to a guy that checks a lot of boxes. I can't think of anything more to add to your succinct analysis. Other than he showed he's tough and a fast healer as well as a leader of his World Junior team. Our lineup is full of guys who could easily replaced and wouldn't be missed. Our vaunted best 4 lines in the NHL disappointed in the playoffs and will continue to do so. Major miscalculation, despite the fact "he hasn't played a NHL game". That is just today's excuse for tomorrow's failure! This "totally" blows me away and takes the lustre off Chevys recent moves.
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Post by bigoljetairliner on Jun 27, 2024 11:24:02 GMT -6
The following is a link for a Hockey Writers article done in Jan 2024 rating the top 100 prospects already drafted by NHL teams (that hadn't played more than 25 NHL games before this past season): thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking/The Winnipeg Jets had 5 players on the list, with Salomonsson ranked #83, Barlow sitting in #62, the #44 spot being held by Lucius, unsigned McGroarty located at #37, and Brad Lambert the top guy at #16. While it sucks that McG wouldn't sign, I completely understand the predicament that Winnipeg finds itself in this off-season. With Heinola very much needing a shot at the NHL this season, it looks like Winnipeg will have at least one rookie player on their roster. When you add the season the team's highest ranked prospect had in the AHL (Lambert), where he out-did what Kyle Connor did in the same league at the same age, then you have another highly probable rookie on the Jets next year. Now you get McGroarty demanding an NHL spot, making you consider the possibility of 3 rookies on the team and how franchises have performed with that much youth in the lineup. Looking at last season's rookies, there were 10 teams that gave multiple young players significant games in the NHL (over 33 games) and only one of those teams made the post-season. Non-playoff teams like San Jose, Chicago, New Jersey, Minnesota, Philadelphia, and Anaheim had two rookies with significant playing times. Other non-playoff teams like Arizona (3 players), Calgary (4), Columbus (3) round out the list, with the Boston Bruins being the only playoff team in the group. The exception to the rule, the B's actually had 4 rookies see ice-time, though the most games any one played was 60: Lohrei (41 games), Poitras (33 g), Beecher (52 g), & Lauko (60 g). In total, 8 playoff teams last season had rookies that played significant time, though seven of those only had one: Nashville (80 g), Toronto (80 g), Vegas (47 g), Los Angeles (81 g), Washington (51 g), NY Rangers (81 g), and Dallas (24 g). Only Boston had more than one rookie play significant games. Based on those results, I can understand Chevy being leery about having even two rookies on a squad with playoff hopes, let alone the possibility of three. That obviously put him in a tough spot when McG's camp made their NHL demands, possibly one that is a no-win solution. If he doesn't give Heinola a shot, the franchise is bad at developing their players. If Lambert doesn't get a shot, then Winnipeg doesn't reward prospects who put in the effort with solid results in their own system. If he says yes to all three, the team seems to be at risk of missing the playoffs in the upcoming year. And that is not even taking into consideration the impact of giving into a demand might have on other prospects....does Barlow get guaranteed NHL time next season too? Lucius? How about any future 1st round draft pick? Seems there really wasn't a good decision to make to me....maybe Jets' fans should start a fund-raising project that says they will buy all available season tickets if the franchise puts in all the young players next year? Maybe the ownership will give in if they know the seats will be filled, even if the youth movement results in a drop down the standings? lol So, while I am very disappointed that the team is likely losing out on a prospect with much-needed physical traits, I can completely understand how the circumstances played a role in how the situation unfolded.
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Post by hillman on Jun 27, 2024 12:23:32 GMT -6
The following is a link for a Hockey Writers article done in Jan 2024 rating the top 100 prospects already drafted by NHL teams (that hadn't played more than 25 NHL games before this past season): thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking/The Winnipeg Jets had 5 players on the list, with Salomonsson ranked #83, Barlow sitting in #62, the #44 spot being held by Lucius, unsigned McGroarty located at #37, and Brad Lambert the top guy at #16. While it sucks that McG wouldn't sign, I completely understand the predicament that Winnipeg finds itself in this off-season. With Heinola very much needing a shot at the NHL this season, it looks like Winnipeg will have at least one rookie player on their roster. When you add the season the team's highest ranked prospect had in the AHL (Lambert), where he out-did what Kyle Connor did in the same league at the same age, then you have another highly probable rookie on the Jets next year. Now you get McGroarty demanding an NHL spot, making you consider the possibility of 3 rookies on the team and how franchises have performed with that much youth in the lineup. Looking at last season's rookies, there were 10 teams that gave multiple young players significant games in the NHL (over 33 games) and only one of those teams made the post-season. Non-playoff teams like San Jose, Chicago, New Jersey, Minnesota, Philadelphia, and Anaheim had two rookies with significant playing times. Other non-playoff teams like Arizona (3 players), Calgary (4), Columbus (3) round out the list, with the Boston Bruins being the only playoff teams in the group. The exception to the rule, the B's actually had 4 rookies see ice-time, though the most games any one played was 60: Lohrei (41 games), Poitras (33 g), Beecher (52 g), & Lauko (60 g). In total, 8 playoff teams last season had rookies that played significant time, though seven of those only had one: Nashville (80 g), Toronto (80 g), Vegas (47 g), Los Angeles (81 g), Washington (51 g), NY Rangers (81 g), and Dallas (24 g). Only Boston had more than one rookie play significant games. Based on those results, I can understand Chevy being leery about having even two rookies on a squad with playoff hopes, let alone the possibility of three. That obviously put him in a tough spot when McG's camp made their NHL demands, possibly one that is a no-win solution. If he doesn't give Heinola a shot, the franchise is bad at developing their players. If Lambert doesn't get a shot, then Winnipeg doesn't reward prospects who put in the effort with solid results in their own system. If he says yes to all three, the team seems to be at risk of missing the playoffs in the upcoming year. And that is not even taking into consideration the impact of giving into a demand might have on other prospects....does Barlow get guaranteed NHL time next season too? Lucius? How about any future 1st round draft pick? Seems there really wasn't a good decision to make to me....maybe Jets' fans should start a fund-raising project that says they will buy all available season tickets if the franchise puts in all the young players next year? Maybe the ownership will give in if they know the seats will be filled, even if the youth movement results in a drop down the standings? lol So, while I am very disappointed that the team is likely losing out on a prospect with much-needed physical traits, I can completely understand how the circumstances played a role in how the situation unfolded. I agree with this. I've been mulling over the situation since the first disappointing announcement. I've slowly moved to the same line of thought as you. I think seeing his USA teammates getting an immediate shot has driven a lot of this move by Mcg. But the team he wants on is one of the top regular season teams who are trying to figure out how translate that into playoff success. There will be at least 1 if not more rookies on the team next year. How could they guarantee a spot to a guy who has certain skills that need some work. I still wonder how this relationship broke down so fast. Like I said, it's disappointing.
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Post by sgtbarnes on Jun 27, 2024 13:12:50 GMT -6
Developing your prospects in the traditional and proper way will eventually lead to playoff success before they age out, want out or tune out. The proper progression will give you playoff warriors. Leaders.
Oh wait.....
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Post by bigoljetairliner on Jun 27, 2024 13:18:48 GMT -6
And examples of doing things differently successfully are?
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Post by sgtbarnes on Jun 27, 2024 14:48:13 GMT -6
And examples of doing things differently successfully are? I'm not that familiar with other teams' draft and development history. As far as a tried and true formula. How many of Florida's draft picks were on their roster this year? I'd be curious. To me it's about having the right players. Is there another team in the league that has more draft picks on the roster than Winnipeg? If not the most, they're right up there. And it has not translated into playoff success. Actually, dismal failure. That's my point. Is rolling the dice on a player like McGroarty such a make or break deal? A huge risk? Not from my point of view. The consensus is that this is a special player. I guess we'll see if losing him leads to lament.
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Post by bigoljetairliner on Jun 27, 2024 15:34:07 GMT -6
Not that many....possibly just 3 key players (Barkov - 2nd overall in 2013, Lundell - 12th overall in 2020, & Ekblad - 1st overall in 2014).
They acquired a lot of their key players when they were nearing or in the UFA zone, like Vegas & Anaheim have done in the past to become Cup champions, such as Tkachuk (6th overall), Bennett (4th), Bobrovsky (undrafted), & Reinhart (2nd).
All those places were able to do that because they are "go to" locations in many of the key categories (weather, taxes, nightlife, place to raise your family, etc). Tkachuk wasn't forcing his way out of Calgary to come to Winnipeg and neither would any key FA or acquisitions on the Knights run (Eichel/Pietrangelo & possibly not even home grown Stone). Most of the other Cups were won by franchises that went through painful rebuilds and were able to develop their players well enough to help them to the biggest prize (though some teams developed, then traded some of the prospects to fill other needed positions/roles).
The cards are not stacked in Winnipeg's favour to lift a Cup, so if that is the definition of success in a person's mind, be prepared for disappointment. That is just the facts the way I see them, but maybe I'm overly pessimistic?
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Post by shakinallover on Jun 27, 2024 15:39:25 GMT -6
Spoiled and feels entitled. The Jets have had players with the same selfish attitude before. Kane, Roslovic, Laine, Lemieux, DuBois, etc. All of them poison to a dressing room. Better to cut it out early before it infects the rest. It's just regrettable that they couldn't have seen this in his character before they drafted him.
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Post by sgtbarnes on Jun 27, 2024 18:23:14 GMT -6
Not that many....possibly just 3 key players (Barkov - 2nd overall in 2013, Lundell - 12th overall in 2020, & Ekblad - 1st overall in 2014). They acquired a lot of their key players when they were nearing or in the UFA zone, like Vegas & Anaheim have done in the past to become Cup champions, such as Tkachuk (6th overall), Bennett (4th), Bobrovsky (undrafted), & Reinhart (2nd). All those places were able to do that because they are "go to" locations in many of the key categories (weather, taxes, nightlife, place to raise your family, etc). Tkachuk wasn't forcing his way out of Calgary to come to Winnipeg and neither would any key FA or acquisitions on the Knights run (Eichel/Pietrangelo & possibly not even home grown Stone). Most of the other Cups were won by franchises that went through painful rebuilds and were able to develop their players well enough to help them to the biggest prize (though some teams developed, then traded some of the prospects to fill other needed positions/roles). The cards are not stacked in Winnipeg's favour to lift a Cup, so if that is the definition of success in a person's mind, be prepared for disappointment. That is just the facts the way I see them, but maybe I'm overly pessimistic? We're all pessimistic. We're Jet fans. It's our nature. Like most other sport fan debates, at some point one side will get to say I told you so. Should have signed him. Or, glad we didn't sign him. Can the kid walk the walk? Stay tuned.
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