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Post by sgtbarnes on Jun 29, 2024 16:09:48 GMT -6
If he misses development camp, that seals the deal. Pretty much both sides have made up their minds. I think Chevy's just waiting for the best offer.
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Post by 2b9 on Jun 29, 2024 16:17:27 GMT -6
Apparently Chevy said there's no update on McG other than he WILL NOT be attending development camp. Which is next week, so very little time for the team to repair the rift, if that is even possible. So not that surprising. A part of me hopes seeing the likes of Heinola, Lambert, & Perfetti thrive this season will make him change his mind and join the team for the playoff push.Β Highly unlikely, but since there is about 2 years to figure things out it's not out of the realm of un-probable things occurring. Agree with you on everything that you sayπ. And now, off to Free Agency Monday, going to be an interesting weekend leading up to Monday, possible buyouts, possible Ehlers trade or other trades, could be crazy, or, maybe nothing happens up to Monday, nevertheless, Iβm looking forward to everything coming up. Cheers, 2b9πππ
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Post by lenny on Jun 29, 2024 16:26:05 GMT -6
Chevy indicated that Ehlers is part of their long term plans. Same thing he indicated with Scheif and Helle.
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Post by sgtbarnes on Jun 29, 2024 16:59:20 GMT -6
Chevy indicated that Ehlers is part of their long term plans. Same thing he indicated with Scheif and Helle. Whether here or somewhere else, on a line with players that can keep up with him might give his game a bump.
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Post by 2b9 on Jun 29, 2024 17:20:51 GMT -6
Chevy indicated that Ehlers is part of their long term plans. Same thing he indicated with Scheif and Helle. If so, it would be nice if Ehlers could do something in the playoffs, so far nothing. You would think if part of the team at the money being paid to him, he would be a big time contributor come playoffs, so far nothing. If you are a part of the teams long term plans and being paid as such as a top contributor as a forward during the regular season, you would do as much and such during the playoffs, so far nothing. BTW, I like Ehlers, just concerned about his ability to stay healthy and be a contributor during the playoffs, he seems to disappear during the playoffs. Just my opinion and thoughtsπ. Cheers, 2b9πππ
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Post by Tracker on Jun 29, 2024 20:55:02 GMT -6
Hard to understand McRoarty's thinking unless his advisors have convinced him that risking the loss of hundreds of thousands of dollars (and perhaps millions) will pay off in the near future. But is he good enough that other teams will aggressively try to trade for his rights?
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Post by 2b9 on Jun 30, 2024 4:53:11 GMT -6
Hard to understand McRoarty's thinking unless his advisors have convinced him that risking the loss of hundreds of thousands of dollars (and perhaps millions) will pay off in the near future. But is he good enough that other teams will aggressively try to trade for his rights? We will find out between now and August 2026, thereβs lots of time to get this thing handled one way or another. Cheers, 2b9πππ
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Post by Tracker on Jun 30, 2024 11:44:49 GMT -6
I don't know what they mean by "guarantee". Did McG's camp actually say they wanted a guaranteed spot on the roster or is it a case where they could look at the path of recent Jets picks and think it's a team that holds players back? I'm not sure any player in the league has a contractual guarantee of ice time and I doubt that any team can guarantee any rookie a spot in that sense so it just seems like a word someone used to try to describe what was going on in the simplest way possible. Anyway, I would think there would be some way to make the kid feel that he'd get at least as good a shot here as he would anywhere else, which should really be all that matters as far as that goes. The way I read it in the Ates article, it seems that somehow he was not left with that feeling. Well here's my position. I guess we can say that 1st rounders are expected to be high end propects and any round after that is a hope and a prayer. Or can we say in general that any player chosen in the top half of the 1st round will most likely be a high end talent. I don't know how to define high end prospect exactly, not sure if can be defined exactly as it's obviously an imperfect science even for the experts. And of course it depends on the talent pool of the given draft as one major factor. If we go with the former criterion, all 1st rounders are likely high end prospects, 1st rounders since Laine are: 1 Stanley, 2 Vesalainen, 3 Heinola, 4 Perfetti, 5 Lucius, 6 McGroarty, 7 Lambert, 8 Barlow. All 8 are or were expected to likely be high end prospects. If we use the latter criterion, top half of first round (which I would favour), only Perfetti (chosen 10th) and McGroaty (14th) would be considered very likely high end prospects. You seemed to put Lambert ahead of McGroarty but I would have done the opposite...where I would say adding another rookie (Lambert) may not work very well. Although I get it, I'm really high on Lambert too and we've seen more of him than McGroarty so putting Lambert ahead right now, I can see why you'd say that. My feeling is, if we get a full year out of Vilardi and Perfetti it will be a minor miracle, so I'm guessing there would have been more than ample opportunity to get a look at both McGroarty and Lambert with top 6 minutes...see if and where they can fit. That seems reasonable to me, especially considering Arniel has stated an objective to give young guys a fair shot...and who better than these two out of the prospect pool? McGroarty is not a skinny 18 year old kid either as you know...he's 20 years old and 200lbs; what I would call an NHL frame at least. Maybe he was not the best player for the US team, I'd say true, but also coming off a major injury that people were calling kind of miraculous that he even healed enough to play. So speculation on my part but I would doubt that he was playing at 100% health and fitness. I won't say that he was the most talented player on the team, I just don't know, there were some really good players on that squad. McG at 20 years old was one of the more mature players on that team so that probably makes him more NHL ready than most. As far as Chevy fumbling the prospects, I know, he has the toughest job in the league they say. I consider he saved face somewhat in eventually getting Vilardi for Laine but he's only drafted 2 other likely high end prospects since Laine. Very small sample size he's created to find examples of fumbling those prospects. Out of two, he's apparently lost 50%. Maybe he'll get someone as good or better than McGroarty in trade, but the appearance matters to me too and the look of losing this guy is not good IMO. Who knows, McG started out saying all the right things but maybe it'll turn out that he's the next-coming of PLD and wants to pick his own city to play in. I'm not saying that's what's going on and I don't think it is...but if it is I would concede we're better without him and never should have drafted him in the first place! Anyway, big disappointment here because from what I saw and heard from McG, seems like a can't fail heart and soul type of player that is not easy find...had promise to fill a major void that I see in the present Jets roster.
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Post by sgtbarnes on Jun 30, 2024 17:55:42 GMT -6
Hard to understand McRoarty's thinking unless his advisors have convinced him that risking the loss of hundreds of thousands of dollars (and perhaps millions) will pay off in the near future. But is he good enough that other teams will aggressively try to trade for his rights? It's pretty much a given that other teams are showing interest. This is a quality prospect. As far as losing out on income, NCAA players can make a bundle with NIL endorsements. I'm not sure if hockey players are at the high end, but some top college prospects are into 7 figures. McG won't be hurting if he stays in school. Which he won't. The Jets gain nothing by waiting it out and would have the risk of injury devaluating the asset.
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Post by bigoljetairliner on Jun 30, 2024 18:22:25 GMT -6
Hard to understand McRoarty's thinking unless his advisors have convinced him that risking the loss of hundreds of thousands of dollars (and perhaps millions) will pay off in the near future. But is he good enough that other teams will aggressively try to trade for his rights? It's pretty much a given that other teams are showing interest. This is a quality prospect. As far as losing out on income, NCAA players can make a bundle with NIL endorsements. I'm not sure if hockey players are at the high end, but some top college prospects are into 7 figures. McG won't be hurting if he stays in school. Which he won't. The Jets gain nothing by waiting it out and would have the risk of injury devaluating the asset. I don't really think his value will drop if he starts the season in Michigan while still Jets' property. If they wait until the end of that season, it might not even take a hit because he is a lower top 50 prospect (35 to 45 range) in the NHL so teams will be interested. Winnipeg would also still have a full season of control at that point, so it's not like his rights would be expiring (not until Aug of 2026).
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Post by 2b9 on Jun 30, 2024 19:23:18 GMT -6
It's pretty much a given that other teams are showing interest. This is a quality prospect. As far as losing out on income, NCAA players can make a bundle with NIL endorsements. I'm not sure if hockey players are at the high end, but some top college prospects are into 7 figures. McG won't be hurting if he stays in school. Which he won't. The Jets gain nothing by waiting it out and would have the risk of injury devaluating the asset. I don't really think his value will drop if he starts the season in Michigan while still Jets' property. If they wait until the end of that season, it might not even take a hit because he is a lower top 50 prospect (35 to 45 range) in the NHL so teams will be interested. Winnipeg would also still have a full season of control at that point, so it's not like his rights would be expiring (not until Aug of 2026). Thanks for the insightπ. Cheers, 2b9πππ
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Post by sgtbarnes on Jun 30, 2024 20:23:32 GMT -6
It's pretty much a given that other teams are showing interest. This is a quality prospect. As far as losing out on income, NCAA players can make a bundle with NIL endorsements. I'm not sure if hockey players are at the high end, but some top college prospects are into 7 figures. McG won't be hurting if he stays in school. Which he won't. The Jets gain nothing by waiting it out and would have the risk of injury devaluating the asset. I don't really think his value will drop if he starts the season in Michigan while still Jets' property. If they wait until the end of that season, it might not even take a hit because he is a lower top 50 prospect (35 to 45 range) in the NHL so teams will be interested. Winnipeg would also still have a full season of control at that point, so it's not like his rights would be expiring (not until Aug of 2026). True. But as I said, you do run the risk of him getting injured. My opinion is that Chevy will move him before then.
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Post by Tracker on Jul 1, 2024 12:51:09 GMT -6
I don't really think his value will drop if he starts the season in Michigan while still Jets' property. If they wait until the end of that season, it might not even take a hit because he is a lower top 50 prospect (35 to 45 range) in the NHL so teams will be interested. Winnipeg would also still have a full season of control at that point, so it's not like his rights would be expiring (not until Aug of 2026). True. But as I said, you do run the risk of him getting injured. My opinion is that Chevy will move him before then. Whether Chevy moves him is completely unpredictable. We do not know what other teams are putting on the table or how stupid/desperate they are. who would have thought anyone would want Dubois after the season he had in LA?
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Post by Ric O. on Jul 1, 2024 12:53:03 GMT -6
Chevy indicated that Ehlers is part of their long term plans. Same thing he indicated with Scheif and Helle. If so, it would be nice if Ehlers could do something in the playoffs, so far nothing. You would think if part of the team at the money being paid to him, he would be a big time contributor come playoffs, so far nothing. If you are a part of the teams long term plans and being paid as such as a top contributor as a forward during the regular season, you would do as much and such during the playoffs, so far nothing. BTW, I like Ehlers, just concerned about his ability to stay healthy and be a contributor during the playoffs, he seems to disappear during the playoffs. Just my opinion and thoughtsπ. Cheers, 2b9πππ Totally agree 2b9. Notwithstanding his lack of playoff performance, I'm a big Ehlers fan but seldom a fan of the line he's on - not since Laine and Stastny left. Hopefully if Chevy finds a way to re-up Nik, they can find that elusive center who can play with him. Maybe I'm crazy, I know people will poo-poo that he's too young and not spent enough time grinding the 4th line but I'm thinking Lambert could be that guy if they give him a chance there.
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Post by sgtbarnes on Jul 1, 2024 13:43:07 GMT -6
If so, it would be nice if Ehlers could do something in the playoffs, so far nothing. You would think if part of the team at the money being paid to him, he would be a big time contributor come playoffs, so far nothing. If you are a part of the teams long term plans and being paid as such as a top contributor as a forward during the regular season, you would do as much and such during the playoffs, so far nothing. BTW, I like Ehlers, just concerned about his ability to stay healthy and be a contributor during the playoffs, he seems to disappear during the playoffs. Just my opinion and thoughtsπ. Cheers, 2b9πππ Totally agree 2b9.Β Notwithstanding his lack of playoff performance, I'm a big Ehlers fan but seldom a fan of the line he's on - not since Laine and Stastny left.Β Hopefully if Chevy finds a way to re-up Nik, they can find that elusive center who can play with him.Β Β Maybe I'm crazy, I know people will poo-poo that he's too young and not spent enough time grinding the 4th line but I'm thinking Lambert could be that guy if they give him a chance there. A relevant question here would be which of our forward group has been particularly productive in the playoffs? This season we had the goal feast game one on a shaky Georgiev. The top line cashed in. In the 4 straight losses after that, Scheifele, Connor and Vilardi had a total of 2 pts each. As did Ehlers. With that trio having significantly more ice time and PP time. Did Monahan do anything 5 on 5 or did his single pt in the series come on the PP? I cant recall. Tofolli was virtually invisible. 2pts in 5 games. Somehow we figure Ehlers should light it up with those two? Or is their lack of production Ehlers' fault? I think Ehlers needs to be put in better situations to use the tools he has. It will be interesting to see him with a fresh start elsewhere, should that happen.
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