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Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 26, 2014 6:47:08 GMT -6
on chief wahoo. You are right it ends right when that logo goes you dont discuss it anymore. What should be done is chief wahoo gets completely phased out without anyone noticing. The mlb shouldnt announce the lgo change they should just go to the block c and nobody knows.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 26, 2014 11:28:30 GMT -6
btw there is nothign more blatantly racist in sports than chief wahoo. Its absolutely gross. If you want to see how blatantly racist chief wahoo is look no further than this scrapped july 4th hat that the MLB had to step in on and prevent...because it shows pretty much blackface....but the redface is fine?
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Post by jetsorbust on Aug 26, 2014 12:30:33 GMT -6
btw there is nothign more blatantly racist in sports than chief wahoo. Its absolutely gross. If you want to see how blatantly racist chief wahoo is look no further than this scrapped july 4th hat that the MLB had to step in on and prevent...because it shows pretty much blackface....but the redface is fine? I don't watch enough baseball I guess... so Chief Wahoo is the Cleveland Indians logo? I honestly don't see what is wrong with it. If I was part of a white minority living in let's say Brazil, and my town had a soccer team with a caricature of a white dude and called it themselves Crazy Caucasians or something I would just think it was neat and would support the team. I simply don't get how it's desrespectful when it's not negative? Sports teams are something you ROOT FOR and connect with. I honestly just don't get the negativity
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Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 26, 2014 12:43:30 GMT -6
btw there is nothign more blatantly racist in sports than chief wahoo. Its absolutely gross. If you want to see how blatantly racist chief wahoo is look no further than this scrapped july 4th hat that the MLB had to step in on and prevent...because it shows pretty much blackface....but the redface is fine? I don't watch enough baseball I guess... so Chief Wahoo is the Cleveland Indians logo? I honestly don't see what is wrong with it. If I was part of a white minority living in let's say Brazil, and my town had a soccer team with a caricature of a white dude and called it themselves Crazy Caucasians or something I would just think it was neat and would support the team. I simply don't get how it's desrespectful when it's not negative? Sports teams are something you ROOT FOR and connect with. I honestly just don't get the negativity have you ever heard of a sambo? the racist black face images? Racist cartoons? chief Wahoo is disgusting. And no im not going to post 1920s racist cartoons to proove my point. use google and google the word Sambo, racist cartoons and you will see why. A red faced savage image has no place in todays society
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Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 26, 2014 12:44:54 GMT -6
Its not about rooting for or connecting with. No there is no honoring involved in degrading people.
other names are different Chiefs have dropped most native imagery from their team, blackhawks are named after a person and a ww1 squadron
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Post by TheDeuce on Aug 26, 2014 13:19:29 GMT -6
FWIW I've worked my entire career with First Nations peoples, lived on a Reserve for the better part of a decade, and a majority of my friends are Treaty Card carrying Natives and not a single one of them have any issue with Chief Wahoo. Maybe it's a Canadian / American Native thing but I've never heard any concern around these parts.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 26, 2014 13:43:51 GMT -6
FWIW I've worked my entire career with First Nations peoples, lived on a Reserve for the better part of a decade, and a majority of my friends are Treaty Card carrying Natives and not a single one of them have any issue with Chief Wahoo. Maybe it's a Canadian / American Native thing but I've never heard any concern around these parts. m. im not going to bash your experience...but how often are you discussing chief wahoo? I dont suggest showing them the red faced sambo image the mlb uses and seeing their reaction. Sometimes people dont want to let things bother them. even if they do. Iv always heard that american indians have no problem with the name indians since most american indians prefer the name indians
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Post by JordyRamone on Aug 26, 2014 16:17:06 GMT -6
FWIW I've worked my entire career with First Nations peoples, lived on a Reserve for the better part of a decade, and a majority of my friends are Treaty Card carrying Natives and not a single one of them have any issue with Chief Wahoo. Maybe it's a Canadian / American Native thing but I've never heard any concern around these parts. m. im not going to bash your experience...but how often are you discussing chief wahoo? I dont suggest showing them the red faced sambo image the mlb uses and seeing their reaction. Sometimes people dont want to let things bother them. even if they do. Iv always heard that american indians have no problem with the name indians since most american indians prefer the name indians I agree with the deuce. The only ppl who truly get upset about it are super political correct people. Bruinsfan doesn't like it but I would be surprised if he ever saw a aboriginal person in real life.
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Post by JordyRamone on Aug 26, 2014 16:25:58 GMT -6
I disagree with most of Bruinsfans list of what's wrong with baseball. Saying the game is too slow is laughable coming from a soccer fan. Not everything needs to be in your face action. The anticipation of baseball is unlike any sport. I see how some of your red Sox games gets dragged out. If that's what you are talking about, I agree. PEDs are being tested for a lot. I would guess more than any other sport. The rules are fine. Making the strike zone bigger is a horrible idea. Pitchers are already dominating. They don't need more help. Sorry, the list is extremely weak and was a complete waste of time
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Post by JordyRamone on Aug 26, 2014 16:32:13 GMT -6
Lol suspensions? You got to be kidding me right? Managers would start using this as a tool to win games. Horrible idea! YES suspensions. if you chew on an mlb field 20 games min. LOL Sorry but that is so wrong. What's next? Making tobacco illegal? Should users get jail time?
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Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 26, 2014 17:48:06 GMT -6
I disagree with most of Bruinsfans list of what's wrong with baseball. Saying the game is too slow is laughable coming from a soccer fan. Not everything needs to be in your face action. The anticipation of baseball is unlike any sport. I see how some of your red Sox games gets dragged out. If that's what you are talking about, I agree. PEDs are being tested for a lot. I would guess more than any other sport. The rules are fine. Making the strike zone bigger is a horrible idea. Pitchers are already dominating. They don't need more help. Sorry, the list is extremely weak and was a complete waste of time If you think soccer is slow when there are no commercial breaks and constant build up...then yes slow.. .if you dont think the game is slow in baseball you arent correct sorry. You are not correct. The game is too slow. too much ball scratching very little anticipation it sucks right now. games should last 2.5 hours max. games go close to 4 hours its awful. people dont have time for it. PED testing is so good Yay Cespedes lets celebrate his derby wins with a nice needle in the behind. And no making the strike zone a true strike zone means making it bigger and speeding the god damn games up get guys to swing more lets get this game going. Money ball killed the game everyone milks walks now. lets get these guys going expand the damn strike zone..if its close? call it. Im not even talking about a bigger strike zone im talking about ACTUALLY CALLING TRUE STRIKES which means the the chest to the knees and the entire width of the plate....ANY part of the plate even if it barely clips it it should be a strike right now umps are too picky...the strike zone has significantly shrunk allowing players to milk walks with LONG pitch counts and billy beane style terrible baseball. Sorry most of your posts are complete wastes of time. You are looking for a flame war. Nice try. maybe you should watch more baseball because its fn boring right now with guys milking calls and wanting to walk.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 26, 2014 17:48:55 GMT -6
YES suspensions. if you chew on an mlb field 20 games min. LOL Sorry but that is so wrong. What's next? Making tobacco illegal? Should users get jail time? why is it wrong to suspend players for using tobacco on television? they cant smoke? why not ban them from chewing? good for you man support the death of tony gwynn and the possible death of curt schilling.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 26, 2014 17:55:55 GMT -6
lets go over my list...Speed of the game? yup most baseball folks agree.
PEDs? Look at the recent cuban players and tell me its not still around..
National tv? they need a better national tv promotion or to fix sunday night baseball
tobacco? yup neds banning Ie Tony Gwynn
Stadiums? need to be fixed in Tampa and oakland...thats not debatable
Minorities? not enough in america playing baseball its becoming a white guy sport. I think its becoming wayy too expensive too.
The rules of the game? time to figure it out DH no DH thing is becoming terrible. Lets face it AL baseball is a beter product. I think the world series needs a revamp too as to what rules are used.
chief wahoo? is disgusting.
enlarging the strike zone? yea...to the actual strike zone Any part of the plate between the knees and chest...bring back the high strike and the low strike.
actual useful instant replay? right now it sucks
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Post by TheDeuce on Aug 26, 2014 19:06:04 GMT -6
FWIW I've worked my entire career with First Nations peoples, lived on a Reserve for the better part of a decade, and a majority of my friends are Treaty Card carrying Natives and not a single one of them have any issue with Chief Wahoo. Maybe it's a Canadian / American Native thing but I've never heard any concern around these parts. m. im not going to bash your experience...but how often are you discussing chief wahoo? I dont suggest showing them the red faced sambo image the mlb uses and seeing their reaction. Sometimes people dont want to let things bother them. even if they do. Iv always heard that american indians have no problem with the name indians since most american indians prefer the name indians Well since this thread came up I've discussed Chief Wahoo with 6 separate First Nations individuals including my Reserve's Chief and exactly zero had any issues with Wahoo. The Chief I spoke with (who stopped by my house this afternoon) did say he "could see how some might find it offensive" though. I've had the discussion with a living room full of Natives when we were watching the news and the ND Fighting Sioux name issue was being reported on. They all rolled their eyes (figuratively) and figured it was a slow news day. My wife, of Irish descent, doesn't take offense at a logo featuring a possibly drunken and clearly violent Irishman, FWIW. m.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 26, 2014 19:16:04 GMT -6
im not going to bash your experience...but how often are you discussing chief wahoo? I dont suggest showing them the red faced sambo image the mlb uses and seeing their reaction. Sometimes people dont want to let things bother them. even if they do. Iv always heard that american indians have no problem with the name indians since most american indians prefer the name indians Well since this thread came up I've discussed Chief Wahoo with 6 separate First Nations individuals including my Reserve's Chief and exactly zero had any issues with Wahoo. The Chief I spoke with (who stopped by my house this afternoon) did say he "could see how some might find it offensive" though. I've had the discussion with a living room full of Natives when we were watching the news and the ND Fighting Sioux name issue was being reported on. They all rolled their eyes (figuratively) and figured it was a slow news day. My wife, of Irish descent, doesn't take offense at a logo featuring a possibly drunken and clearly violent Irishman, FWIW. m. may be an american thing then cause there was a group that has been protesting wahoo for years. Iv heard two sides in the Native American camp on this one is that there are bigger issues to tackle (poverty being number 1). However the wahoo image is really bad and the indians clearly see it that way since they only use it in home games not away games. www.si.com/mlb/strike-zone/2014/04/05/cleveland-indians-fan-native-american-protester-chief-wahoo here is a documented incident with wahoo fans and native protesters. iv actually met some irish people that dont like NDs symbol though in boston we have a ton of ND fans and most are irish. Hell im of greek decent and root for the trojans. wahoo with me is just principle...we should know better. Blackhaws logo? is very respectful and named after one man. Indians name? iv heard not disrespectful but the wahoo logo with the natives in ohio is pretty controversial.
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