|
Post by mikecubs on Aug 26, 2014 22:37:56 GMT -6
In America it is a white guy sport. its too expensive here. Baseball is a rural sport. You need big open spaces to play. With population growth the country is becoming more urban. Other problem is colleges give out a lot more football/basketball scholar ships compare to baseball ones. Black kids do the math and see their best shot at college is football/B-ball. And here is another reason why blacks aren't playing baseball espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/9186117/why-african-americans-play-pro-baseball
|
|
|
Post by mikecubs on Aug 26, 2014 22:42:35 GMT -6
Walks are part of the game. Walks lead to more baserunners which equals more pressure to throw more strikes which equals homeruns/more runs. walks = more ass scratching and mound conferences. No, not with a limit on mound conferences(this is something under discussion) and a pitch clock. 2 separate issues. Don't blame moneyball for slow games. Blame the lack of pitchclock/lack of enforcement of the rulebook.
|
|
|
Post by mikecubs on Aug 26, 2014 22:45:04 GMT -6
Sigh.... Why do you want to wreck the other side of baseball with that stupid rule? DH=no strategy/no double switches. If you ever watched more national league ball you'd agree it's better baseball without that rule. Other problem with DH is pitchers can become headhunters and there is no way to retaliate. Eh watching a rally then the pitcher is up just deflates innings. DH = power hitters. why would i watch the national league? I like to watch major league baseball. not AAAA (i couldnt resist) It's not real baseball. DH was a pathetic gimic from back in the day when scoring was too low. There is this thing called the pinch hitter that doesn't deflate rallies plus some pitchers can actually hit a bit.
|
|
|
Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 26, 2014 22:47:34 GMT -6
Eh watching a rally then the pitcher is up just deflates innings. DH = power hitters. why would i watch the national league? I like to watch major league baseball. not AAAA (i couldnt resist) It's not real baseball. DH was a pathetic gimic from back in the day when scoring was too low. There is this thing called the pinch hitter that doesn't deflate rallies plus some pitchers can actually hit a bit. what if your pitcher is still performing well? Dh isnt going anywhere. union loves the dh because it means more jobs. if anything it will be all DH.
|
|
|
Post by mikecubs on Aug 26, 2014 23:20:33 GMT -6
Then you better hope the pitcher can hit a bit(Kerry Wood), don't make the 1st 2 outs, or it comes down to strategy. Do you sacrifice the pitcher to keep the rally going or do you go to the bullpen?
I don't think it will be either. Leagues will stay like they are. Union won't give up the jobs, NL owners won't want more jobs to have to pay.
|
|
|
Post by JordyRamone on Aug 27, 2014 5:58:04 GMT -6
milking walks = boring baseball. Thank you billy beane You are one clueless individual. The walks have increased not because of this shrinking of the strike zone non sense that you have been yelling from the rooftops but by hitters mentality changing. More and more hitters are seeing the value in walking. Before hitters would see a walk as not a success but now it's viewed as one. You can blame Beane all you want but someone else would have noticed it too. Also, the plate size hasn't changed and if touches it, it's a strike. As for baseball being slow, I could see a Boston fan saying that. Boston has a bad reputation for slowing the game down. But that is from the time inbetween pitches and not because all the walks that are happening. They could speed that process up.
|
|
|
Post by JordyRamone on Aug 27, 2014 6:01:34 GMT -6
milking walks = boring baseball. Thank you billy beane Walks are part of the game. Walks lead to more baserunners which equals more pressure to throw more strikes which equals homeruns/more runs. exactly, I have no idea what this guy is even talking about or if he has ever seen a baseball game in his life
|
|
|
Post by JordyRamone on Aug 27, 2014 6:09:49 GMT -6
Btw I am for a pitch clock. Not sure what I think about the reviews. Most don't appear cut and dry as you would think they should and they make the game slower. I think it should be a flag or something that a manager throws to challenge. Don't like how the manager walks out talks to ump and looks in the dug out to see if they should challenge it.
|
|
|
Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 27, 2014 6:54:57 GMT -6
Walks are part of the game. Walks lead to more baserunners which equals more pressure to throw more strikes which equals homeruns/more runs. exactly, I have no idea what this guy is even talking about or if he has ever seen a baseball game in his life bro shut the hell up. Iv watched more baseball then you have. Really shut up at this point you sound like a child
|
|
|
Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 27, 2014 7:03:02 GMT -6
milking walks = boring baseball. Thank you billy beane You are one clueless individual. The walks have increased not because of this shrinking of the strike zone non sense that you have been yelling from the rooftops but by hitters mentality changing. More and more hitters are seeing the value in walking. Before hitters would see a walk as not a success but now it's viewed as one. You can blame Beane all you want but someone else would have noticed it too. Also, the plate size hasn't changed and if touches it, it's a strike. As for baseball being slow, I could see a Boston fan saying that. Boston has a bad reputation for slowing the game down. But that is from the time inbetween pitches and not because all the walks that are happening. They could speed that process up. YOu dont get it do you? The umps are influenced by hitters. These fat old dirt bags love to be involved in the game (time to replace them i say). Im not the oly one who has said the strike zoe has shrunk and Walks have contributed to this Walks= more pitches taken more pitches taken = more defensive hitting defensive hitting= longer at bats and a defensive mentality Defensive mentality= less offense less offense= long boring games. and yes as a boston fan im saying this as a fan of a team that has won 3 world series playing slow dragged out baseball because of the way they approach the plate im pretty freaking qualified to say that walks and defensive hitting= slow games that last closer to 4 hours not 3 baseball games should be just under 90 mins. The game is well beyond that now. And yes the strike zone has shrunk. Umps are picky. As mike has said they sit behind that plate with their big fat asses waiting to argue with a player so they are picky about strikes thats the most often they get themselves arguing on tv. Im not saying expand the strike zone. Im saying move it back to what it was. Bring back the chest strike, the knee strike, and any part of the plate. Right now they shrunk they brought down the chest strike, brought up the knee strike and are picky on the corners. Just call it right.
|
|
|
Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 27, 2014 7:07:09 GMT -6
www.nytimes.com/2010/08/09/sports/baseball/09highstrike.html“The one thing that would make the game faster would be to call a strike on a high fastball down the middle,” Hershiser said. “Calling that pitch would change every at-bat. Right now, that pitch has no chance of being called a strike.” The “high, hard one” that became an American idiom is ball one, despite the written rules. In 1969, the top of the strike zone was moved from the shoulders to the armpits; in 1988, the upper limit became the “horizontal line at the midpoint between the top of the shoulders and the top of the uniform pants.” (It had moved downward informally when umpires switched to more compact chest protectors in the National League in the 1950s and in the American League in the 1970s because the umpires were able to crouch lower.) In the mid-1990s, umpires more frequently gave pitchers calls off the outside corner than up in the zone. “There is no doubt the strike zone shrunk during my career,” said John Smoltz, who played in the majors from 1988 to 2009. “Hitters now lay off what is a totally hittable pitch. Why would they go up there and be aggressive when it’s in their favor to take pitches?” Ron Darling, a broadcaster and former pitcher, said the first pitch was the most important one: “If you want to speed up the game, call the strikes — if a batter knows he’s going to fall behind 0-1, he’s going to be ready to swing instead.” Selig’s office publicly called for a higher strike zone in 1999, but Smoltz said “it lasted until the end of spring training” because baseball did not enforce its mandate. Another attempt in 2001 failed because umpires “err on the side of caution,” Smoltz said, in part because they take more heat from batters for high pitches than wide ones and in part because baseball so closely monitors every call.
|
|
|
Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 27, 2014 7:22:25 GMT -6
|
|
|
Post by JordyRamone on Aug 27, 2014 9:40:43 GMT -6
I am growing tired of this debate. Funny how you blame the umps for this. They make bad calls both ways. Balls inches off the plate gets called strikes all the time. It's human error. Being a ump is a horribly unthankful job and guys like you like to blame them for everything. As if there human errors were a personal attack on you. I am done. So don't expect a response back.
|
|
|
Post by jetsorbust on Aug 27, 2014 12:06:26 GMT -6
I don't watch enough baseball I guess... so Chief Wahoo is the Cleveland Indians logo? I honestly don't see what is wrong with it. If I was part of a white minority living in let's say Brazil, and my town had a soccer team with a caricature of a white dude and called it themselves Crazy Caucasians or something I would just think it was neat and would support the team. I simply don't get how it's desrespectful when it's not negative? Sports teams are something you ROOT FOR and connect with. I honestly just don't get the negativity have you ever heard of a sambo? the racist black face images? Racist cartoons? chief Wahoo is disgusting. And no im not going to post 1920s racist cartoons to proove my point. use google and google the word Sambo, racist cartoons and you will see why. A red faced savage image has no place in todays society Just did... can't say I see anything offensive about the Cleveland Indians logo. Nor do I really understand how it relates to this old Sambo cartoon? From a quick read on wikipedia it sounds like it Sambo may have been used or referred to by others in a racist manner, but I honestly don't see what the whole buggaboo is about.
|
|
|
Post by jetsorbust on Aug 27, 2014 12:15:54 GMT -6
I take it that's a photoshop but frankly I would find it hilarious if it were used in some small town where whites are the minority.
|
|