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Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 26, 2014 19:22:26 GMT -6
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Post by hacky666 on Aug 26, 2014 19:56:12 GMT -6
Well here's a god damn novel idea, why can't the team and the protesting indians come up with a more "respectful" image, one that better depicts an indian and that the team can use!?
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Post by JordyRamone on Aug 26, 2014 19:56:20 GMT -6
I disagree with most of Bruinsfans list of what's wrong with baseball. Saying the game is too slow is laughable coming from a soccer fan. Not everything needs to be in your face action. The anticipation of baseball is unlike any sport. I see how some of your red Sox games gets dragged out. If that's what you are talking about, I agree. PEDs are being tested for a lot. I would guess more than any other sport. The rules are fine. Making the strike zone bigger is a horrible idea. Pitchers are already dominating. They don't need more help. Sorry, the list is extremely weak and was a complete waste of time If you think soccer is slow when there are no commercial breaks and constant build up...then yes slow.. .if you dont think the game is slow in baseball you arent correct sorry. You are not correct. The game is too slow. too much ball scratching very little anticipation it sucks right now. games should last 2.5 hours max. games go close to 4 hours its awful. people dont have time for it. PED testing is so good Yay Cespedes lets celebrate his derby wins with a nice needle in the behind. And no making the strike zone a true strike zone means making it bigger and speeding the god damn games up get guys to swing more lets get this game going. Money ball killed the game everyone milks walks now. lets get these guys going expand the damn strike zone..if its close? call it. Im not even talking about a bigger strike zone im talking about ACTUALLY CALLING TRUE STRIKES which means the the chest to the knees and the entire width of the plate....ANY part of the plate even if it barely clips it it should be a strike right now umps are too picky...the strike zone has significantly shrunk allowing players to milk walks with LONG pitch counts and billy beane style terrible baseball. Sorry most of your posts are complete wastes of time. You are looking for a flame war. Nice try. maybe you should watch more baseball because its fn boring right now with guys milking calls and wanting to walk. Not really wanting to start a flame war. I am just seriously sick of your smug know it all attitude. You think your opinions are the only right ones and everyone else is wrong. You spends tons of time on a board whose team you don't even like (I think). Isn't there a bean eating forum you could spend your time on instead (please). Making the strike zone bigger will only hurt offence. Ever seen pitch tracker? Different umps call different zones but the all generally not that far off. If the ball goes over the plate it should be a strike and if umps see it they will call it. Not sure what you are taking about. Calling a strike zone bigger will only decrease offence. There is zero reason to do it. You obviously don't watch or know much about baseball because you have to get good bat on the ball generally to get a good hit. Bigger strike zones would be a disaster for hitting. One run games and no hitters would increase. Look at how many no hitters and perfect games there have been recently. They are on the rise and you want to increase that because you are clueless?? I don't even have the energy right now to debate anything else you said. Actually I might just use that block button
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Post by hacky666 on Aug 26, 2014 20:00:09 GMT -6
They've been around since 1909! No complaints yet!
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Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 26, 2014 20:52:21 GMT -6
If you think soccer is slow when there are no commercial breaks and constant build up...then yes slow.. .if you dont think the game is slow in baseball you arent correct sorry. You are not correct. The game is too slow. too much ball scratching very little anticipation it sucks right now. games should last 2.5 hours max. games go close to 4 hours its awful. people dont have time for it. PED testing is so good Yay Cespedes lets celebrate his derby wins with a nice needle in the behind. And no making the strike zone a true strike zone means making it bigger and speeding the god damn games up get guys to swing more lets get this game going. Money ball killed the game everyone milks walks now. lets get these guys going expand the damn strike zone..if its close? call it. Im not even talking about a bigger strike zone im talking about ACTUALLY CALLING TRUE STRIKES which means the the chest to the knees and the entire width of the plate....ANY part of the plate even if it barely clips it it should be a strike right now umps are too picky...the strike zone has significantly shrunk allowing players to milk walks with LONG pitch counts and billy beane style terrible baseball. Sorry most of your posts are complete wastes of time. You are looking for a flame war. Nice try. maybe you should watch more baseball because its fn boring right now with guys milking calls and wanting to walk. Not really wanting to start a flame war. I am just seriously sick of your smug know it all attitude. You think your opinions are the only right ones and everyone else is wrong. You spends tons of time on a board whose team you don't even like (I think). Isn't there a bean eating forum you could spend your time on instead (please). Making the strike zone bigger will only hurt offence. Ever seen pitch tracker? Different umps call different zones but the all generally not that far off. If the ball goes over the plate it should be a strike and if umps see it they will call it. Not sure what you are taking about. Calling a strike zone bigger will only decrease offence. There is zero reason to do it. You obviously don't watch or know much about baseball because you have to get good bat on the ball generally to get a good hit. Bigger strike zones would be a disaster for hitting. One run games and no hitters would increase. Look at how many no hitters and perfect games there have been recently. They are on the rise and you want to increase that because you are clueless?? I don't even have the energy right now to debate anything else you said. Actually I might just use that block button good job bro nice effort. You are wrong but nice effort. The strike zone has absolutely shrunk over the years and it has contributed to the games being long and drawn out walk fests which is great for on base percentage but players dont swing. Thats a problem. Make them swing. You are really going to use the i dont watch the jets thing on me? really thats the last card you have? The Jets card? Alot of people on here arent jets fans, most like me are ROTJ hold overs who like to discuss sports business. Not sure you watch baseball. If you did, like i do, you would see umps squeezing pitchers and its increased since on base became a huge priority. More teams milking walks. Its a problem its a big reason the game is slow. The umps have shrunk the strikezone when it should be any part of the plate. You increase the strike zone back to what it used to be and more hitters will swing the bat, Less walks= on base by hits and you will see More offense. Offense has been killed by not only the lack of PEDs but by this defensive at bat mentality in the league. It killed the offensive game. Thank you billy beane And just to piss you off im not going anywhere. Nope not going to move. I know more than you. That smug enough for you.
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Post by mikecubs on Aug 26, 2014 21:36:09 GMT -6
I disagree with most of Bruinsfans list of what's wrong with baseball. Saying the game is too slow is laughable coming from a soccer fan. Not everything needs to be in your face action. The anticipation of baseball is unlike any sport. I see how some of your red Sox games gets dragged out. If that's what you are talking about, I agree. PEDs are being tested for a lot. I would guess more than any other sport. The rules are fine. Making the strike zone bigger is a horrible idea. Pitchers are already dominating. They don't need more help. Sorry, the list is extremely weak and was a complete waste of time A chunk of the stuff is what the owners talked about when they hired the new comissioner. Some of the things on the list are weaker and not critical like tobacco/Chief Wahoo but if you could fix them it would be a nice bonus. Everyone is in agreement the games are way too slow except a small handful of people who think they are "purist". When the owners hired Manfred that was the number 1 thing they talked about. This isn't just a bruinsfan wants to bash baseball thing because he got his feelings hurt when his heros got caught doing PEDS. Baseball isn't connecting with youths right now as well as it should. Granted as they got older in the past the liked baseball more but what is that doesn't hold true with this generation? The anticipation thing is BS. The games are getting boring and I'm one of the biggest baseball fans/backers. 3+ hours for a 4-2 game is a joke. Most people just don't have the time these days. Pre-Mike Hartgrove(the human rain delay) they actually enforced stuff like taking too much time. So the people who defend ball scratching/pacing/adjusting batting gloves aren't actually "purists". The pitch clock is a must. Pat Gilick was of the smartest GM's in recent times agrees. ESPN/New York times etc... you name it talk about this all the time now. Tampa and Oakland getting new stadiums is a must. Besides pace of game that's the number 2 issue easily. Getting minorities/youths to play baseball is very important. RBI program is helping but look how few blacks there are in baseball. Having a few more Andrew McClutchen's around wouldn't be a bad thing. Hispanics are the fastest growing group in the US. Very important to keep them interested in baseball. Rest of the stuff are nice bonuses if they happen. PED's aren't as much of an issue now though I'm certain not everyone is 100% clean but there is always new stuff coming out that's undetectable so there's nothing wrong with staying on top of it and avoiding another scandal. As far as strike zone do it by computer and make it whatever the rulebook says. No need for a home plate ump. It's a waste of money to have one. All they do is look for confrontations and eject people. They grade the umps by computer. Instead of doing that just outright use the computer in the 1st place. That way no mistakes are made. Nothing to argue. They put in instant replay to try and be 100% accurate so why not do the one thing that would insure 100% accuracy on balls/strikes? If you can ban tobacco great but it's not worth a fight. I hate politically correct fascists/ubber liberals but personally I do feel the Wahoo logo is racist. They should let American Indians vote on it. If it don't offend them fine keep it. If they don't like it work with them on coming up with a respectful Indian logo.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 26, 2014 21:39:02 GMT -6
hahaha such a national leaguer mike gotta love it (Im for pure dh throughout the game) I had a crackpot idea once. world series decided 10 v 10 with 9 fielders 10 hitters (pitcher and dh hit) stupid idea but its interesting.
also you should check out the vegas thread i posted in biz of hockey
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Post by mikecubs on Aug 26, 2014 21:54:35 GMT -6
Sigh.... Why do you want to wreck the other side of baseball with that stupid rule? DH=no strategy/no double switches. If you ever watched more national league ball you'd agree it's better baseball without that rule. Other problem with DH is pitchers can become headhunters and there is no way to retaliate.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 26, 2014 21:59:37 GMT -6
Sigh.... Why do you want to wreck the other side of baseball with that stupid rule? DH=no strategy/no double switches. If you ever watched more national league ball you'd agree it's better baseball without that rule. Other problem with DH is pitchers can become headhunters and there is no way to retaliate. Eh watching a rally then the pitcher is up just deflates innings. DH = power hitters. why would i watch the national league? I like to watch major league baseball. not AAAA (i couldnt resist)
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Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 26, 2014 22:01:32 GMT -6
if the league goes unified rules its pretty clear the DH cant be erased now so it would be national league gets a dh
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Post by mikecubs on Aug 26, 2014 22:11:58 GMT -6
Bruinsfan- not going quote all your posts but baseball is NOT a white guy sport. For the 2013 season for opening day 28% of the players were foreigners, 24.2% were from Latin America. The number from Latin America is always increasing. latino.foxnews.com/latino/sports/2013/04/03/over-28-percent-players-were-foreign-born-in-mlb-opening-day/Moneyball helped save the game. It made GM's smarter especially helping small markets compete better. Every team in the league uses sabermetric to a decent degree now. In the past small market teams pre sabermetrics would sign a few mediocre overpriced veterans and tried to compete that way which was a disaster. It was called "proven veteran syndrome". Remember in the 90's when teams like the Pirates overpaid for Derek and Jay Bell for example? They made a freaking movie about the founder of sabermetrics it was such a great thing. Taking walks/hitting home runs and not worrying about strikeouts are fine. That's not what slows the game up. Slow games aren't moneyballs fault. It's the lack of a pitchclocks fault.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 26, 2014 22:15:07 GMT -6
In America it is a white guy sport. its too expensive here.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 26, 2014 22:15:34 GMT -6
milking walks = boring baseball. Thank you billy beane
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Post by mikecubs on Aug 26, 2014 22:23:38 GMT -6
milking walks = boring baseball. Thank you billy beane Walks are part of the game. Walks lead to more baserunners which equals more pressure to throw more strikes which equals homeruns/more runs.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 26, 2014 22:36:56 GMT -6
milking walks = boring baseball. Thank you billy beane Walks are part of the game. Walks lead to more baserunners which equals more pressure to throw more strikes which equals homeruns/more runs. walks = more ass scratching and mound conferences.
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